X-Men

"See, Stern still just doesn't get it. Who wants to spend good money on top of bad? If you've lost so much money on X-Men and you have, if you bought it NIB, are you going to go buy these accessories?"

Stern still doesn't understand that people don't want to buy accessories for games with poor initial code and execution

"clearly X-Men just burnt him out. I think it just absolutely was a soul crushing experience. The entire X-Men journey"

X-Men development was a soul crushing experience that burnt out Jack Danger

"these people are in pain because they're looking at the most stunning machine ever based on a theme they love with one of the most creative layouts in the history of pinball... and it's just got the worst software... they need to start over on the code"

X-Men has amazing design but worst software ever, needs complete code overhaul

"Do you really think Stern is going to be able to turn around the uncanny X-Men? The value on the games have plummeted. Owners are frustrated. The game has a really unique layout, but it never came together."

Stern can't fix X-Men despite putting three people on code - game was too rushed

"And then you followed it up with X-Men, which has been a release with a lot of issues."

X-Men has significant mechanical and software issues with poor market reception

"I'm not here to talk about you X-Men owners. You're never getting a great game. It's never happening. Let it go. Sell the game. Stern has moved on. Jack has moved on to his next game."

X-Men owners should give up hope and sell the game

"Gang, they're not going to get it back. And every time I go into the thread and every time I read my chat, it's still filled with like X-Men people really hoping and praying that this game is going to have some sort of convalescence, that it's going to turn around. And I'm just here to say to every one of you, I would just get out while you can."

X-Men will never have a turnaround, people should get out

"When I go into a thread that is X-Men, it is the opposite of good vibes. It is a community that is divided. It is a lot of people that want to love the game, but can't."

X-Men community is divided and unhappy, owners want to love the game but can't

"I don't know how weisen is even allowed another shot at X-Men. And I worry that in relation to jaws in relation to James Bond in relation to Godzilla... I just worry that X-Men's code now is going to just always be a little bit of a Frankenstein game because you know weisen was the lead code designer."

X-Men has plunger issues and code problems due to being rushed and poor leadership

"I have to give the worst rule set to X-Men. This game's rule set is really the number one reason why people are just so upset with this game. The game is beautiful. The game's got a really creative layout. It just doesn't come together with the rule set."

Uncanny X-Men has the worst rule set of 2024 - beautiful game let down by code

"I think we will see this game end up in a very similar fashion to Avengers. It'll always become a really unique game to have in a lineup. It'll never be sort of the game. Everyone gushes about."

X-Men will end up like Avengers - unique but not a hit

"That game is not doing very well. It is plagued with issues and I don't think there's ever going to be a solve that makes that game what it should have been."

X-Men is plagued with issues that will never be solved

"I really feel bad for my friend Jack Danger. The more I watch the vibes around X-Men, the more I feel so gutted that Stern wanted Jack to release this game before it was ready."

X-Men is plagued by being rushed and poor code quality

"You wanna be on the happiness train. You wanna be happy. Like you wanna be on board with an owner club where people are happy. Like happiness is way more infectious and way more desirable than unhappiness."

X-Men owners are unhappy while Evil Dead owners will be on the 'happiness train'

"a $6500 X-Men Pro is really all you need and the fact that an X-Men LE is $6500 more than the X-Men Pro is sort of criminal"

X-Men Pro is all you need, LE not worth the premium

"The thread now is a troubleshoot thread. And that is where you don't wanna end up, right? The game's only been out for like two to three months and everyone's talking about issues and how to fix the game."

X-Men thread has become a troubleshoot thread indicating serious hardware problems

"Both of these games are beautiful. Both of them have unique layouts, but both of them do not have a single wow moment that when you play the machine, something absolutely wow is happening."

X-Men and Avatar lack wow moments despite beautiful designs

"This auto-plunge issue, the fact that the game doesn't play right, is a big issue. The fact that they're making hundreds of them a week without a fix in place, means that every single person that unboxes one, who's getting them made right now, is gonna have the same issue."

Uncanny X-Men has serious auto-plunge issues and Stern is shipping hundreds weekly without a fix

"this is one of the most beautiful stern machines I've ever seen, there is only 811, maybe the only is the problem, that's maybe too many games, and it's got one of the greatest layouts stern has ever done, one of the most beautiful art packages stern has ever done"

X-Men LE is one of the most beautiful Stern machines ever with greatest layout and art, but still not sold out despite only 811 units at $13,000

"One of Stern Pinball's best shooting games ever. The code is getting better. That game is gonna be just fine."

Stern Pinball's Uncanny X-Men is one of their best shooting games ever with improving code

"How could you with a straight face buy a John Wick LE and pass on an X-Men LE? How could you with a straight face buy a Venom LE and not go near X-Men LE? It is such a better game and it's gorgeous... There's absolutely nothing you need to change on this game"

X-Men is a superior game that should be selling better

"I do think X-Men has a lot more toys in it. I think X-Men is the better shooting game. It just is. Like you could argue with me on this. It's not to say that Avatar is not fun to shoot, but it's not nearly as good of a shooter as X-Men."

X-Men is significantly better than Avatar as a shooter game with superior layout and toys

"both of these games are going to come down to whether or not the code in the game is going to give you the kind of pinball enjoyment that makes you want to own the game in your home."

Both X-Men and Avatar will ultimately succeed or fail based on their code quality

"It is a stunning game. It is a stunning game to shoot. That being said, it's a very expensive game at $13,000. I think everybody has a memory of what happened to all those $13,000 Foo Fighters."

X-Men LE is stunning but overpriced at $13,000 with incomplete code

"X-Men is epic it's absolutely epic... it is maybe one of the best shooting stern pinball machines ever"

X-Men is an epic game with some of the best shooting mechanics Stern has made

"what I saw last night and what I think a lot of people are picking up on is this is a game that's not quite ready for center stage. It's not quite ready to be in your home, it's not quite ready to be in game rooms"

X-Men by Stern is not ready for release and people are judging games by their covers before playing them

"if I had to pick a winner so far, I would say that Stern's X-Men is presenting better so far"

Stern X-Men is presenting better than Jersey Jack Avatar in head-to-head comparison

"Two themes, by the way, that nobody really, really was dying for. People didn't want more Marvel, and people didn't really want Avatar"

Neither X-Men nor Avatar has a juggernaut theme that people were dying for

"I think Stern put the bomb for the last three games into this one. That game looks incredible."

X-Men Uncanny X-Men is Stern's best game in a long time, showcasing incredible art and creativity

"this is the first Stern game. Since Stern's pricing has been this much, where the game actually wows us as much as the price"

X-Men Uncanny is Stern's first game in years that matches the wow factor of their pricing

"I would absolutely say Uncanny X-Men is the better theme for most people because it's just iconic and it's been around for a really long time. And people have an emotional connection to these X-Men characters."

Uncanny X-Men is a better theme than Avatar for most people due to iconic status and emotional connection

"This is not a theme that has that level of pull with the pinball buying demographic. The Matrix does. Back to the future. Pokemon. Harry Potter. I do not put X-Men comic book edition on that realm of a game that like you're going to want it at any cost."

X-Men Comic Book theme lacks market appeal compared to major properties

"You're going to be able to get an X-Men comic book edition in October for less than $13,000. Mark my words, people. There is no such thing anymore as a stern OE that you will ever, ever, ever have to pay more than $13,000 for."

Prediction: X-Men comic book edition will be available for less than $13,000 in October, and no Stern OE will ever cost more than $13,000.

"right now, and you ask the community, are you excited about an X-Men themed pinball machine? The overwhelming response is kind of indifferent or somewhat negative. Like people really are not hoping and praying that we get another Marvel pin."

X-Men theme faces community fatigue due to Marvel oversaturation

"It's going to be an X-Men pinball machine. It's just not X-Men 97... And I think it's going to be pretty awesome that Jack Danger is going to make an X-Men pinball machine"

Stern's next game will be X-Men pinball (not X-Men 97) designed by Jack Danger

"I'm telling you right now that Stern's next cornerstone game is going to be Jack Danger's game. That's right. You heard it here. Chris Arcades, my followers on the club heard it first that Jack Danger is next... I think Jack Danger's game is going to be X-Men 97."

Jack Danger's X-Men 97 will be game of the year, not Jaws or Elton John

"My prediction is X-Men 97 will be the game of the year. It will beat out Elton John, which is a great shooting game, but not enough people will vote for Elton John."

Prediction: X-Men 97 will be the game of the year, beating out Elton John.