Willy Wonka

"Willy Wonka still to this day. It is probably Jersey Jack... best game. Probably... in terms of like the total package of what it delivers"

Willy Wonka is probably Jersey Jack's best game to date

"Wonka is still not my fault. Jack told me all the clips from the movie were going to be in the game. And guess what? None of them were in the game."

Willy Wonka failure was Jack Guarnieri's fault for promising movie clips

"I heard someone say on Pinside the other day that they think Willy Wonka is one of the greatest theme integrated pinball machines of all time. And after reading that, I'm like, this is the problem with this community. How is that one of the greatest theme integrated pins of all time? It has absolutely none of the musical songs from the movie itself. They do not synchronize the clips from the movie with the voice actors in the movie."

Willy Wonka is not one of the greatest theme-integrated pinball machines

"Willy Wonka was a game that they probably designed and developed in like six to eight months because Pat Lawlor was working on Toy Story and he couldn't finish it. He couldn't finish it in time to get it out when Disney wanted it. So what happened? They quickly made Willy Wonka."

Willy Wonka was a rushed game that was originally supposed to be Toy Story

"I don't think it's a masterpiece. I think it's an okay game. I think it's fun... The game is too hard. The game is way too hard"

Willy Wonka is just okay, not a masterpiece despite recent demand

"Game is a great theme for Pinball. I think the game is also a total miss because of how they chopped up that iconic movie and butchered it... it's too hard. No one can get any more than two golden tickets."

Willy Wonka is a miss due to poor code implementation

"Here's why because Leonard signed a deal that isn't the kind of deal you need to make the Pinball machine the proper way."

Willy Wonka's problems stem from bad licensing deal by inexperienced investor

"Because the only reason I changed my mind on Willy Wonka and you know the reason. It's just I just think they took the movie we love and they chopped it all up."

Opinion reversal on Willy Wonka: was "Positive opinion of the game", now "Negative opinion because they chopped up the beloved movie"

"And I'm not going to flip flop. And I'm not going to pull the Willy Wonka. Because the only reason I changed my mind on Willy Wonka and you know the reason. It's just I just think they took the movie we love and they chopped it all up."

Opinion reversal on Willy Wonka: was "Positive opinion (had ordered it)", now "They took the movie we love and chopped it all up, not the film I love"

"They got to make that game easier. That's just stupid. You like I keep talking to my friend Derek about it. I'm like it's just like a gluttony for punishment"

Willy Wonka is too difficult

"How do you say to people we are going to make 5,000 limited edition versions of Willy Wonka pinball machine... We are only going to make a topper limited to 300 units. How does that make sense."

Jersey Jack's decision to make only 300 toppers for 5,000 LE Willy Wonka machines lacks common sense

"I just think what they did with Willy Wonka pinball integrated that theme so poorly into the pinball experience. I played it yesterday again. I brought Brenda, we were at Jack Barr with her sister. We were playing Willy Wonka. And really like when you're playing the pinball machine, everyone's just like, what am I doing? Like what's going on right now?"

Willy Wonka has the worst theme integration despite being a great theme

"I think the best theme for a pinball machine in 2019, and if I were just sitting in a room and say, what should we make this year that's really going to like, attract a lot of people that will get people excited to buy the pinball machine, I think it's Willy Wonka."

Willy Wonka is the best theme selection for pinball in 2019 because it's a classic that goes across generations

"I am loving loving watching people unbox their collectors editions of Willy Wonka it's a stunning pinball machine without a doubt it is one of the most beautiful pinball machines that has ever ever been available for sale... I am not seeing anybody unboxing a Willy Wonka collectors edition noticing any pooling or playfield clear coat issues on their games"

Jersey Jack Willy Wonka collectors edition is beautiful and playfield issues seem resolved

"that god awful hideous signature plate that covers up half of the apron artwork with like eight signatures on it why are there so many signatures to begin with but that thing is hideous on a whole new level"

Jersey Jack Pinball's signature plate on Willy Wonka Collector's Edition is hideous and represents the company mailing it in on details

"I think that if they went back and they thought about how to make the Willy Wonka code a little bit easier to see all the magical stuff coded in the game I think that would hugely improve you know the approachability of the game for a lot of people"

Willy Wonka should get Ghostbusters-style code update to be more approachable

"the initial coding of it was a week obviously the design aspects of it overall were butter smooth I think the shot flow was extremely good"

Willy Wonka had excellent design and theme integration despite weak initial code

"If I love the Willy Wonka movie, and I hop on the pinball machine and I want to play through the iconic scenes I love in the film, I'm just not going to get it... don't you think that was a mistake? Not to make a mode based pinball machine where the movie itself lent itself perfectly to a mode based experience?"

Willy Wonka fails to capture the movie experience and should have been mode-based

"I'm so sorry, Jack. I am. I'm sorry that I changed my mind on Willy Wonka. Am I not allowed to?"

Opinion reversal on Willy Wonka: was "Positive opinion of the game", now "Negative opinion of the game"

"And I just want to tell you what's on my mind. But you know, I'm terrible. Sorry. I'm sorry that I changed my mind on Willy Wonka. Am I not allowed to?"

Opinion reversal on Willy Wonka: was "Positive opinion (implied)", now "Negative opinion (changed his mind)"

"Changed your mind on a game. I didn't change my mind because of the way the game shot I changed my mind because of the way the game is coded and and I'm allowed to change my mind on a game Because of that right I also don't like Left outlane that is designed like an orbit that drains so easily."

Opinion reversal on Willy Wonka: was "Positive opinion (implied)", now "Negative opinion due to coding and left outlane design"

"I didn't change my mind because of the way the game shot I changed my mind because of the way the game is coded and and I'm allowed to change my mind on a game Because of that right"

Opinion reversal on Willy Wonka: was "Positive opinion of the game", now "Negative opinion due to coding and design issues"

"Pat Lawlor designed this game for location play. And yet everyone who will buy this game wants to put it in their home."

Pat Lawlor designed Willy Wonka for operators but Jersey Jack's target market is home buyers

"I made my own decision and got in touch with Joe and uh and then after that I closed it"

Richie Ranch paused on Willy Wonka CE due to playfield issues

"When I look at Willy Wonka, do you see stuff in that game that makes it feel like Pat Lawlor dreamed this thing up and he worked day and night for a year to make it happen?"

Willy Wonka lacks the innovative mechanisms expected from Pat Lawlor

"Don't overmod this game. Don't go crazy. I think it looks stupid when there's an Oompa Loompa by the TV camera and then people are putting like chocolate bars, like big chocolate bars at its feet. Like why would he be standing on top of two chocolate bars?"

Don't overmod Willy Wonka - too many mods make games look stupid and overcrowded

"why do pat lullers two games have the shittiest call outs? Why do they have the worst call outs in these games?"

Willy Wonka disappoints due to poor callouts and lack of mode progression

"There are distributors that are asking people to pay in full 12,500 dollars for their collector's edition of Willy Wonka without even seeing it and here's the even nuttier part People are paying why would you pay until you see it?"

People paying $12,500 for unseen Willy Wonka Collector's Edition are crazy

"look I don't I don't really care if people feel like I've lost credibility because I flip flopped on Wonka I don't care I love the way the game shoots I don't like the way the game was coded that's that's just where I'm at with it okay"

Opinion reversal on Wonka: was "Presumably didn't like the game initially", now "Loves the way the game shoots but doesn't like the coding"

"So the thing I've been pointing at is Willy Wonka is an amazing story... how do you code it in a way where the final objective is not to obtain the chocolate factory, get in the wonkivator and the whole machine's rumbling... I just think they approached it in a very strange way and I can't quite get over it."

Willy Wonka coding approach is wrong - should be story-based leading to chocolate factory wizard mode

"I could tell you how silly it is that the final wizard mode in Willy Wonka is pure imagination. Why is that the final wizard mode? Isn't the final scene in the game when you crash through the ceiling in the walkivator?"

Willy Wonka's final wizard mode placement makes no narrative sense

"as it is I don't see myself buying the game I don't see myself saying you know what if I have 12,500 dollars this is the game I'm going to go all in on"

Kaneda is leaning toward not buying Willy Wonka despite initial excitement

"this game was designed for location play they keep saying that they wanted a game that had short ball times was reliable everything an operator would love"

Willy Wonka was designed primarily for location play, not home ownership

"I think the standard edition cabinet artwork is probably the worst pinball artwork on a pro cabinet I've seen in eight years nine years maybe ever"

Willy Wonka standard edition cabinet artwork is the worst pro cabinet artwork in 8-9 years

"The mechanisms in Willy Wonka. They are not a direct reflection of what's happening in the movie itself"

Willy Wonka mechanisms don't properly reflect iconic movie scenes

"I would say I got more excited as I played. Initially I found it fairly frustrating"

Derek found Willy Wonka frustrating at first but got more excited as he played and learned the rules

"This game is pretty far along. If you enjoy it the way it is now and this game is a game that excites you, it's a theme that you're, you know, into that you love a lot. If it's a game that you enjoy shooting, go buy it."

Willy Wonka won't get major asset improvements - game is essentially done

"Does the game make you feel like you're going through the chocolate factory?... the answers I got from my friends who own the machine right now was no, it doesn't."

Willy Wonka pinball doesn't make you feel like you're going through the chocolate factory

"Jersey Jack has got a game to customers faster than any other game they've ever revealed and released to date, which is very big news."

Jersey Jack Pinball shipped Willy Wonka faster than any previous game

"If you love Willy Wonka and you want it to see the movie that you love come to life in the game that you are playing I just don't see it. I don't see how as that person said the musical the heart the soul the things about the film that we absolutely love the iconic scenes it's not there."

Willy Wonka pinball fails to capture the movie's essence despite good shot geometry

"This is the best shooting pat lawlor, Jersey Jack game to date. It's the best shooting Jersey Jack game to date. It shoots so buttery smooth. You're going to love shooting this game"

Willy Wonka shoots buttery smooth and is the best shooting Jersey Jack game

"There definitely isn't as much in this game in terms of like the complexity of the build. No way around it... There's not two upper playfields. There's not a huge rocking ship they have to put in it"

Willy Wonka was easier to manufacture than previous Jersey Jack games

"I don't think that Jersey Jack making like 50 games or 100 games to go to operators equals production has begun. Because in my mind, the customers of the games are not the operators. The customers of the games are the home buyers."

Jersey Jack delivering Willy Wonka games to operators by July 4th doesn't constitute real production

"I don't want to own a Willy Wonka game unless it feels like the Willy Wonka movie. And I'm sorry, but like that's just me."

Willy Wonka needs movie clips with audio to feel authentic

"Willy Wonka now is now this dark cloud that hangs over me because I shot the game. I love the game. I think it's one of the most beautiful shooting pinball machines ever... It's better than any Stern I've played ever in terms of geometry. It's better than any Jersey Jack game I've played in terms of geometry."

Willy Wonka has amazing shooting geometry but coding direction is disappointing

"I just want to clarify for some of you out there that I'm still in on Willy Wonka. I'm not bailing on the game just yet or at all. I just have questions about the code that I think a lot of you have"

Kaneda is still committed to Willy Wonka despite code concerns

"Here's what all of you out there want from a Willy Wonka pinball machine. You want to have a mode in which the goal of that mode is to collect the five golden tickets for each kid... when Veruca Salt's golden ticket mode starts, you want to hear these clips, you want to see this video and you want to hear the callouts from the film that you just remember and love so much."

Willy Wonka pinball should have modes based on iconic movie scenes with movie clips and dialogue

"There's no urgency. There's also when you think about the number of distributors that distribute Jersey Jack games versus Stern games. It's laughable. I bet Stern has 10 times the distribution base."

Willy Wonka Collector's Editions selling slowly due to wait times and distribution

"I can say whatever I want about a pinball machine. And if I get really excited about a game, I'm going to let you know. I'm going to tell you how I feel in the moment... I'm still getting a Willy Wonka. I think they released it too early. I don't think we're going to see it in homes in June."

Kaneda still getting Willy Wonka despite criticism but thinks it was released too early

"I have to say this they revealed the game too early there's no way around it why why they show it when they did what was the point when's the game on the line"

Jersey Jack revealed Willy Wonka too early