"there's no way Venom is the number two greatest pinball machine of all time"
Venom ranking #2 all-time on Pinside is ridiculous
"Vegas is the biggest single loss in the history of pinball. If you bought one from Stern on day one, biggest single loss ever. You lost $12,000"
Venom was the biggest single loss in pinball history if bought from Stern on day one
"They've got Venom, which is a sales dud. I'm glad to see people unboxing the LEs of Venom. I don't look at that game with any envy. There's nothing about those LEs. They're like, oh man, I wish I got one of these. You are going to be able to get a Venom LE whenever you want for whatever you want almost."
Venom is a sales failure that will drop significantly in price
"If you have an order in on a Venom, I would cancel the order. This game is just mediocre. It is mediocre in every sense of the word."
Venom is mediocre and overpriced - cancel your orders
"We haven't really seen Stern have a game as weak as Venom since, what, like Black Knight? Since maybe like Led Zeppelin, it feels like that kind of game."
Venom is Stern's weakest game in years, comparing it to Black Knight and Led Zeppelin
"look at Venom. It's just another boring fan layout like there's no way to hide it It's a boring fan layout. It's like just cookie cutter over and over again"
Venom has a boring fan layout
"Venom is dead on arrival. And so Stern must know that because the Venom orders have not come in. Dealers and distros are screwed on Venom."
Venom is dead on arrival and won't follow Stranger Things' success path
"I'm going to make a prediction. I guarantee you you're going to be able to write a book. You're going to be able to rock up with like 11,5 on the table and walk away with a Venom LE."
Prediction: Buyers will be able to get NIB Venom LEs for around $11,500.
"I think Venom is staring at each and every one of us like, hey, if you just wait, I will be a cheaper alternative to the prices right now... I guarantee you you're going to be able to rock up with like 11,5 on the table and walk away with a Venom LE."
Venom is dead on arrival and will be a bargain basement game
"the problem with a game like Venom is you wouldn't even buy an LE for $10,000. Venom is a game that looks like it was built when Stern LEs were $6,500 and pros were $4,900"
Venom is overpriced for its quality and doesn't belong at modern pricing
"I don't want RPG games like Venom. I know Venom is fun to shoot, but it's not worth the money. Everybody knows that"
Venom is fun to shoot but not worth the money - it's an RPG game we don't need
"Venom is not going to sell that well. We both know it and it's not because of the code. It's not because of the price that has something to do with it, but it's just because it's Venom. This game was never going to do that well. Venom is like an unappealing theme to like 90% of potential pinball buyers."
Venom will not sell well - theme is unappealing to 90% of potential buyers and people are over Marvel pinball
"They're not going to win people over with this RPG style coding. It's not why we love Pinball. I think we want pinball to be more immediate, more accessible."
Venom's RPG-style coding won't win people over - pinball should be immediate and accessible
"From what I've been hearing from people about Venom, is the game is very fast. It doesn't really have that many mechanisms or impressive mechanisms. In the toy department, it's shallow."
Venom lacks impressive mechanisms and relies on shallow toys
"when you know what's coming down the road, people, it's real easy not to spend 10 or $13,000 on a Venom. Are you a 40 to 60 year old man or not?"
Warns against buying Venom when better games are coming, targeting 40-60 year old men specifically
"It is going to be funny though as we see all of these distributors get really desperate with Venom. I mean I'm seeing all of these for sale ads and you know and I know that this game is not flying off the shelves at these prices"
Venom sales are struggling, distributors are getting desperate
"I think Stern is trying some really interesting stuff with the code on this game. More like a role-playing game where you could start off where you left off. They haven't done this before... I do worry a little bit that they're turning Pinball into video games."
Venom has interesting code features but concerning RPG elements
"I look down at the game itself, and there's so much going on. It is utter confusion when it comes to all the different inserts and characters and what's going on here... You shouldn't look down at a pinball machine and just be completely confused about what you're looking at"
Venom's playfield is utterly confusing with too much going on - inserts, characters competing for attention
"It felt like a toy... It felt like a toy that I would spend at most on this game at most like 75 to 8000 for an LE... no way would I ever drop $13000 on this game... This machine will never sell for more than you buy it today. Remember that this machine will never sell for more money than you buy it today"
Venom feels like a toy worth at most $7500 for LE, not $13000 - will never sell for more than purchase price
"It is a fan layout. I mean, it has fan layout as I've seen Stern do in a long time. Like, there's even like lines that just look like a fan... There is basically nothing in the middle of this game. There's absolutely nothing. It is wide open until you get to like the back half of the game"
Venom has a fan layout that's extremely easy to shoot with nothing in the middle - wide open until back half
"69% of people said they are not interested in this theme, that's a pretty high number of people that are indifferent or not interested in Venom"
Venom theme lacks broad appeal - 69% of Pinside users not interested, unlike universal themes
"I am not sure this game after just seeing a two minute video, I'm not sure the LDS are going to fly off the shelf at $13,000"
Venom LE won't sell out in week one due to theme and pricing
"This doesn't feel like a theme. That's really gonna separate a lot of men 40 to 60 from their $13,000. I think Venom is not going to be a day one sell out."
Venom lacks enthusiasm and won't generate day-one sellout excitement
"I think the animations are going to be great and I think Stern is going to have a sleeper hit on their hands with this game. That's my prediction. I think they're going to sell out of the L.E.'s."
Prediction: Stern will have a sleeper hit with Venom and will sell out of the Limited Editions.
"My prediction is this. I think this game is going to come out and I think people are going to be blown away by it visually. I think there is going to be a major mech in the game that excites people and I think it's going to be"
Prediction: Venom will blow people away visually with great animations, have a major mech, and be comic book style.
"I don't think Venom sells out day one. That's my prediction. I don't think it's going to sell out day freaking one. I think people are starting to slow down a little bit."
Venom won't sell out on day one
"Here's my prediction of Venom. I think Venom is going to have a singular major mechanism. I think it's going to be Venom's head. I think that's going to take up the primary real estate in this game."
Prediction: Venom will have a singular major mechanism featuring Venom's head taking up primary real estate in the game.
"I don't think either one of those is a triple A game. I think these are sort of B themes and they're going to be priced like A themes."
Venom and Foo Fighters are B-tier themes priced like A-tier games
"Venom is going to look absolutely amazing. The big question mark with Venom is this. Ken Bryant, Eddie put some mechanical, magical, cool stuff into this game"
Venom will likely win best game of 2022 due to Zombie Yeti's art and extra development time
"I don't really think that this is in the realm of dream themes. And I've been saying it a lot lately at these prices, we want dream themes, we want things that we grew up with that were nostalgic for things that we think about on a weekly monthly basis."
Venom is not a dream theme worthy of current pinball prices
"what moron how much of a moron did you have to be and I'm sorry if you bought it just take this with a grain of salt but how much of a moron did you have to be to buy John Wick or Venom LE at $13,000"
People who bought Venom and John Wick are morons