Toy Story 4

"toy story CE in great condition $8,000 firm and you could get one now... that's $7,000 off the MSRP"

Toy Story CE was a huge miss - biggest JJP loss at $7,000

"look the consensus on Toy Story is accurate. It's just kind of boring. Like the shots are just not great. The flow is not great. Nothing happening in the game is magical. It's just not a good game."

Toy Story 4 is boring with poor flow and shots

"I think the worst fumble in the history of Pinball was making Toy Story 4, even worse than Godfather, because you had a franchise that everybody wanted to buy. Toy Story is just iconic. Everybody wanted it. And you made the one movie that was like the woke fourth installment of Toy Story."

Jersey Jack's worst theme fumble was Toy Story 4 instead of making Andy's Room from the first movie

"Both of those machines have been sales flops. If you ask distributors, the games have not moved."

Jersey Jack's last two games (Toy Story 4 and The Godfather) were sales flops

"look at where Jersey Jack put the damn LCD screen on Toy Story 4, they ate up half of the upper playfield where they could have put an interesting toy or mechanism"

Jersey Jack placed LCD screen in wrong location on Toy Story 4, wasting playfield space

"you drop Toy Story 4 into the world for $12,000 to $15,000 with no toys in it"

Toy Story 4 is overpriced with no meaningful toys

"And unfortunately both Toy Story 4 and the Godfather are now turning out to be flops for the company. They are flops for the company. The demand for them both dried up instantly. You can go get either machine now NIB in LE Trim and nobody really wants any of those LEs right now."

Toy Story 4 and Godfather are flops with no demand - can get NIB LEs easily

"Toy Story was one of the biggest jokes ever in the history of pinball launches."

"We all know that Toy Story 4 sales are dead. Like I'm looking at pictures of distributors, and you could see the boxes of Toy Story games just sitting there. Nobody is calling up distributors to order 15,000 or $12,000 Toy Stories."

Toy Story 4 sales are dead and sitting unsold at distributors

"Toy Story 4 was a sales failure based on the projections of that theme. I mean, if you're Jersey Jack pinball, you thought Toy Story would have been one of your biggest hits of all time. I'm hearing it's not selling well. They overpriced it. It's not even selling as well as Willy Wonka. I'm hearing a thousand CEs at $15,000 are losing people money."

Toy Story 4 was a sales failure, overpriced and not selling well

"If I'm looking at this category at face value, what is the most fun game to shoot based on the layout? I gave this to Toy Story 4. And this is gonna be one of those examples where like layout and design, I think Toy Story 4 has the best layout, but there's no way it's gonna win best game of the year."

Toy Story 4 has the best layout and artwork despite not being game of the year material

"Pat Lawlor was working on this game for two to three years. It looks like he mailed it in. There aren't any original ideas whatsoever in this game. It is basically no good gopher's light."

Jersey Jack's Toy Story 4 represents the lack of creativity problem - Pat Lawlor mailed it in

"The demand is gone. I've never seen a game lose this much demand this quickly. Like this is worse than dialed in."

Toy Story 4 is a major flop with unprecedented demand collapse

"But okay, so I think we're going to see Toy Story LE's in the next few months be around $9,000 to $8,500 and you heard it here first because the more games they pump into the market, the more these games are going to go down in value."

Prediction: Toy Story LE prices will drop to $8,500-$9,000 in the next few months as more games enter the market.

"everybody knows this was the worst MSRP game in the history of Jersey Jack Pinball. They charged way too much for this game."

Toy Story LE is overpriced and will continue dropping in value due to overproduction

"it was ridiculously priced at 12,000 for an unlimited LE basically and $15,000 for CEs... overnight the demand for this game went away... if you bought this game, you lost $2,000 right away"

Toy Story 4 was disappointing - no toys despite being toy-themed, overpriced, lost value immediately

"I don't want to watch a video of Pat Lawlor talk about Toy Story because it's the biggest whiff I think we've ever seen in the last five years of pinball. It's almost more of a whiff than Star Wars."

Pat Lawlor's Toy Story is one of the biggest whiffs in pinball history, almost worse than Star Wars

"I could really, really, really be upset with Jersey Jack Pinball for charging this much money for Toy Story with no toys in it"

Jersey Jack Pinball's Toy Story is overpriced for what you get

"Toy Story is a Toy Story fans theme nightmare integration coming true. Nobody wanted the fourth movie only, and there's just not that many assets in it, and when they show the Toy Story 4 movie clips nothing synced up again, it's just another Willy Wonka where they're just like muted clips playing."

Toy Story is a complete failure and theme integration nightmare

"A game with no toys for 16.5. James Bond is 14.5 for a stern machine that they are going to make a thousand of them."

Toy Story Collector's Edition represents poor value at $15,000

"I just think the launch of James Bond is going to hurt Toy Story sales. I think if you're locked into a $15,000 Toy Story CE, you're looking at this James Bond and it's hard not to look at it and say, I wish there was more stuff like this in Toy Story."

James Bond launch will hurt Toy Story sales

"Especially because Jersey Jack dropped the ball on Toy Story, a lot of you... have been underwhelmed in 2022."

Jersey Jack dropped the ball on Toy Story

"It's another reason why I like Toy Story is such a big miss for so many people because Toy Story is not a movie about a carousel. And then you make a pinball machine about a carousel... I don't want to be Buzz in Toy Story 4 because he's just a buried character in the background."

Toy Story 4 is a big miss because it's not about what the movie is actually about

"I think Toy Story LE is going to be a $7500 pin and I think Toy Story CE is going to be like a $10,000 to $11,000 pin. I think this game is going to be the single biggest loss in the history of Jersey Jack Pinball releases."

Toy Story 4 pinball is overpriced and will lose significant value

"I don't think I've seen a Jersey Jack game that has been shipping that just came out. And there's like no conversation around it. There's no excitement. There's no enthusiasm. I mean, the game is pretty much DOA"

Toy Story 4 is DOA with no excitement or conversation around it

"There is going to be more in a $9000 Stern premium than is in a $15,000 Jersey Jack Toy Story game."

Toy Story Collector's Edition is overpriced with too little content and will cause buyers to lose money

"I just don't get it come on Jersey Jack. You need to innovate you need to listen to the feedback. You need to make a better effort"

Jersey Jack Pinball's Toy Story 4 Collector's Edition lacks innovation and value for the $3,000 premium over the LE

"No good gophers was a game that cost less than $3,000. Look it under the playfield, and you're gonna tell me 12 to 15K for Toy Story."

Toy Story 4 is overpriced for what it offers compared to older games

"right now, Toy Story 4 sales are flat"

Toy Story 4 sales are flat and overpriced - wait to buy

"I want you to pretend like Pat Lawlor didn't make this exact same game twice as good when he made No Good Gofers. And I mean it when I say twice as good. There is twice as much in No Good Gofers than is in Toy Story 4."

Toy Story 4 vs No Good Gofers comparison - No Good Gofers is twice as good

"Like I just lost $4,000 people. I'm not happy about it. I am absolutely not happy about it. It's Brenda's birthday next week and absolutely I would have rather have had that money to spoil my baby girl than to lose on pinball machines."

Lost $4000 on Toy Story 4 deposit - personal financial impact

"Why do I not have a single offer to buy mine for 14 thousand dollars? The truth is the demand is gone and they all know it."

Toy Story 4 demand has completely collapsed - collector's edition sitting at $14K with no offers for two weeks

"We just got Toy Story 4, which is not selling that well. Don't believe the hype people. A lot of these distributors now are starting to attack people who are saying the game isn't great."

Toy Story 4 not selling well despite distributor claims

"Jersey Jack got the marketing all wrong on Toy Story. It was a perfect storm of like mistakes for them. They got the wrong title. They got the wrong mechs. They got the wrong toys. They got the wrong price. They got the wrong volume."

Jersey Jack got everything wrong with Toy Story 4

"And I do think Toy Story Collector's Edition will be the final burn. Like this burn is going to burn people hard."

Toy Story Collector's Edition will be the final burn that wakes people up

"This is the best shooting Jersey Jack pinball machine to date. If you're a casual pinball fan, you will have more fun playing this Jersey Jack machine than any other Jersey Jack machine ever."

Toy Story is Jersey Jack's best shooting game but still fundamentally flawed

"If I were you and you want to put this game in your home for your family to have fun with, I would just wait, get one for cheaper. Don't bother with the CE because I'm telling you, this CE is just going to keep losing money."

Don't buy the Collector's Edition - wait for cheaper used copies

"I want to share with you why I feel personally deep down in my pinball soul devastation...The two things that it gets all wrong are the toys and the story."

Toy Story Pinball is devastating despite good flow - lacks toys and story from the movie

"if this Venom game has a major mech that's super cool and the art package is super awesome, we're not children. More of us out there are into more adult themes like Venom."

Toy Story pricing and content mismatch will hurt against Venom

"If you're a Toy Story fanatic, this isn't the game you want it. If you're a Rush fanatic, you're happy... I love Toy Story and I don't want four."

Toy Story theme integration is fundamentally flawed

"$12,000 for a Toy Story L.E. aka premium... $12,000 for a Toy Story L.E. is crazy amounts of money."

Jersey Jack Toy Story pricing is too high

"I don't think we should spend $12,000 on a toy story LE that doesn't even come with a cheap plastic topper. For $12,000, you can put inner art blades into the game."

Toy Story 4 is overpriced and underwhelming without original trilogy content

"this game is going to lose value. If you bought a collector's edition of Toy Story, by the time they make it, you are going to see people trying to get rid of their deposits... You're going to lose your shirt on the game. You know you are."

Toy Story 4 will lose value - buyers will try to dump deposits

"At least Toy Story four was like a good movie. It wasn't our favorite, but it's critically acclaimed and it got like a 97 on Rod and Tomatoes."

Toy Story 4 was a good movie and critically acclaimed

"There's no greater example of pinball greed than seeing how little is in Toy Story 4 and how much money they want for it. Like that's greed."

Toy Story represents pure greed with minimal content for maximum price

"Like the next thing is I'll play the game and I guarantee you I'm going to have fun playing it. I'm just saying it right now. I'm going to have fun."

Prediction: He will have fun playing the Toy Story game when he plays it.

"You made Toy Story Pinball and there are no toys in the game. That's it. Hard stop. How are we as a community celebrating a game that is the most expensive game Jersey Jack Pinball has ever made and it has no toys in it and it's based on Toy Story."

Toy Story pinball has no toys despite being the most expensive JJP game ever made

"The number one reason I'm walking away from this game. The number one reason is that Toy Story, while a dream theme for me, if it is only Toy Story 4, then it is not a dream theme for me."

Cancelled $15,000 Toy Story 4 CE pre-order because it's only based on Toy Story 4, not the beloved original trilogy

"I really don't think these things are going up in value. In fact, the LEs are not going to go up in value. The LE buyers are going to lose their shirt a little bit."

Toy Story 4 LEs won't go up in value and LE buyers will lose money

"I don't think this game is worth $15,000. I looked down at that game and I don't see a $15,000 product."

Toy Story 4 is not worth $15,000 - sees it as a simplified, stripped-down Jersey Jack game