The Munsters

"I think the most beautiful pinball machine to stand over is the monsters. I mean, it's just so beautiful. It's so colorful... Everything about this game just brings that campiness, that fun of the monsters to life."

The Monsters has best artwork - most beautiful playfield to stand over

"you want to know why we don't like the monsters and will never love the monsters. It's because we played Batman 66 and he showed us what's possible in a pinball machine"

Batman 66 shows what's possible and why we'll never love The Munsters

"Munster's second hand pricing has tanked. Tanked. I mean, you can get like a premium now. Beautiful premium black and white Munster's for like $6,500"

Munsters pricing has tanked in secondary market

"I'm seeing it I'm seeing it in the monster's thread and the black knight thread. Lots of moping and moaning and groaning about code"

People are frustrated with shallow code on Monsters and Black Knight compared to expectations

"I think it was a piss poor marketing move by Stern to make the black and white a premium. And that's why we have what we have now, which is now this feeling."

Stern's decision to make black and white version the premium instead of LE was a poor marketing move

"The reason why people are not buying the monsters is because of the code in the game... But the real problem with the monsters is it's been out for a while. People have it, but it hasn't really caught on... And if Stern really wants to get more people into the monsters, I think they need to address the code, not the color of the art on the game."

Monsters sales problems are due to code issues, not art - color version won't help sales

"I heard that John Borg while he's proud of the game, he's also bummed out by some of the stuff he had to remove from the game to get the price point down, to get the bomb down on the game. So he wanted more magic in the game and the stuff got yanked out."

John Borg had to remove features from Monsters due to budget constraints

"I'll say it right now. Monsters art blows Willy Wonka out of way. It does. There's no way around it. It's a gorgeous machine. The black and white is really cool."

Monsters art is superior to Willy Wonka art

"I think what people are starting to realize is they're not going to see in the monster's pinball game. They're not going to see the amount of clips and scenes from the show and storylines from the show. They are not going to see that stuff come to life the way they saw it come to life on Batman 66."

Monsters pinball is focused on jackpots rather than storytelling like Batman 66, disappointing fans who expected show scenes

"the game shoots really fun it's fast you can jump right into it without even knowing what to do stuff is happening"

Monsters LE shoots well but lower playfield feels numb without tactile feedback

"I think every monster's LE owner is a freaking wimp... you are accepting a game where it is now confirmed that the freaking lockdown bar and the side rails don't match"

Calls Monsters LE owners wimps for accepting mismatched lockdown bars and side rails

"But for $9,000, you deserve to have a lockdown bar that matches the armor on the side rails. It's that simple."

Monsters LE lockdown bar not matching side rails is unacceptable for $9000

"I think the game is fine. F-I-N-E-Fine. I didn't hate it. I didn't absolutely get blown away by anything in it. Is this a game that is bringing anything new to the table? I have to say that I just don't feel that from this game."

The Monsters is fine but doesn't bring anything new or innovative to pinball

"The skill shot is just like guardians, only somehow even more boring. The same two ramps as guardians. Uninspiring bash toy... there is just nothing that jumps out as new and exciting to me for a Stern standard size pin."

The Munsters lacks originality and has the same boring elements as Guardians

"I think monsters has been unfairly sort of slammed by people who haven't even played it yet"

The Monsters pinball game has been unfairly criticized by tournament players

"There's no denying that does it wreak of being cheap absolutely. You would rather have drop targets there you get drop targets in Deadpool why don't you get them"

The Munsters targets are cheap and disappointing compared to proper drop targets

"The monsters L.E. will sell out immediately. Let me tell you something. I guarantee you, they're already sold out. If you want to go get a monster's L.E. I bet you won't be able to get one."

Prediction: The Monsters LE will sell out immediately and all 500 units are likely already sold out before anyone even plays the game.

"but I guarantee you we're gonna say the same thing with like monsters the frenzy to own it but if people like got invited to stern and got to play it they would they would probably be satisfied"

Prediction: People will experience the same frenzy to own Monsters as they do with other new releases, but would be satisfied if they just got to play it.

"From what I see, I potentially could be putting one next to my Batman and I'll leave it at that. But I think Stern's got another hit on their hands."

Stern has another hit with Monsters and could be putting one next to Batman

"I'm going to give monsters a fucking one because I think anyone who thinks that's a good thing for a pinball machine is a fucking moron. It is like the oldest theme ever by like overweight white dude."

The Monsters theme is for overweight white dudes and nobody cares about the franchise anymore

"you want to know why we don't like the monsters and we'll never love the monsters. It's because we played Batman 66 and he showed us what's possible in a pinball machine."

Batman 66 shows what's possible, which is why we don't like The Munsters

"I think the most beautiful pinball machine to stand over is the Monsters. I mean, it's just so beautiful."

Monsters pinball praised for visual aesthetics

"I think this is one of the nicest stern packages they've released in years, and I mean that when I say it"

Stern delivered one of their most impressive releases in years with The Munsters

"I also think it was a stupid decision by Stern marketing to make the premium the black and white. It's absolutely ludicrous that they made the much more unique and like it's completely unique."

Making the Premium version black and white instead of the LE was a stupid marketing decision