The Godfather
game"They need to just never make a game like that again. No one's like gushing about Godfather's layout or it's gameplay. It's just not worth ever revisiting anything with that game."
Jersey Jack should never make another game like Godfather again - layout and gameplay aren't worth revisiting
"A Godfather's CE now candidly, a price which will move your game is eight... So if you bought Godfather's CE, you just lost $7,000."
Godfather CE has crashed in value to around $8000, buyers lost $7000
"Godfather's like asking you to sleep with someone you don't want to sleep with. Like think about that for a minute. Imagine if you had to sleep with someone that you don't want to sleep with. What is that going to be like? What's that experience going to be like for both people in bed? That is what Godfather is."
Godfather is like being forced to sleep with someone you don't want to
"It is Jack Guarnieri asking Eric Meunier to sleep with a theme that he doesn't want to sleep with. And you can tell by the entire game, this is something he didn't want to make. This is something the coder didn't want to make. It's just a game in general with no passion, no soul."
Godfather shows what happens when designers work on themes they don't love
"even when you're the nicest and the tightest with somebody, you can still make horrible mistakes like buying a Godfather collector's. He didn't even buy a collector's edition. He bought an LE and then he put all this money into the accessories and he ended up losing like $7,000 because he didn't listen to Kaneda"
The Godfather pinball is a bad purchase that causes significant financial loss
"I never will own a Godfather pinball machine. I think it's a terrible theme for pinball and it is a terrible theme for pinball."
The Godfather is a terrible theme for pinball and he will never own one
"Man, this game, when you think about this game and you're like, where are the magical mechs in Godfather? You might as well fall over backwards and play dead because you're not gonna find any"
Godfather has almost no magical mechanisms and is disappointing
"The truth is this, people, anyone who voted Godfather's CE to be the second greatest pinball machine of all time. All of you who voted it that, you're the problem, not the people voting it down."
Godfather CE voters who ranked it #2 all-time are the problem, not those voting it down
"it is $1,000 and I just watched gameplay of it and it is absolutely boring... those leg ornaments are $500 I can't get over this $500 for two pieces of static plastic"
Godfather LE topper is boring and overpriced at $1000, with $500 leg ornaments being criminal pricing
"It's funny to me that on one hand they're saying Godfather is a great game and it's selling well and operators love it. And we all know they don't. We all know that Godfather is not selling well."
Godfather pinball is not selling well despite Jersey Jack's claims
"The uproar around the Godfather is it's just not worth the money."
The Godfather isn't worth the money despite being potentially fun to play
"And then I think we're gonna see these Godfather CEs just absolutely tank in value. They're gonna be $12,000 by the end of the year."
Godfather CE values will tank to $12,000 by end of year
"The only thing for certain is this, that Jersey Jack pinball is the godfather is not selling well. It will go down as a sales flop. And they're going to have to pivot to something else."
Jersey Jack's Godfather is a sales flop and they need to pivot
"Godfather sales are done. They know it. I know it. You know it. Nobody's buying godfather LEs. They're sitting at distributors, NIB. It is like purchasing a falling knife, and they know it."
Godfather sales are done and the game is a falling knife purchase
"I would not go anywhere near a Godfather CE for $15,000 trust me. In six months the market is going to be flooded with these games... You're going to be able to get a Godfather CE for around $13,000 or $12,500 in just a few months."
Don't buy Godfather CE - prices will drop significantly
"These two games are a swing and a miss. You did not win over the pinball buying community. You never will. You're never going to have a second swing at the plate with these games."
Godfather and Galactic Tank Force are swing and miss games that manufacturers should move on from
"let's hold Knate to this, my prediction by August of 2023 you will see Godfather C.E.'s sell for $12,500 or less, you will not see this game ever go up in any value and it won't hold value, that is my prediction and that is why I've been saying to everybody wait and see"
Prediction: By August 2023, Godfather C.E.'s will sell for $12,500 or less and will never go up in value or hold value.
"here's my prediction on Godfather, because it was not a dream theme that most people wanted, I still think most people are gonna go through with their orders, I think most people will take delivery of the game but I think in the next couple of"
Prediction: Most people will take delivery of Godfather but the game won't hold value in the next couple of years.
"my prediction by August of 2023 you will see Godfather C.E.'s sell for $12,500 or less, you will not see this game ever go up in any value and it won't hold value... I am willing to put Kaneda's entire reputation on this prediction"
Godfather CE values will drop $2500 by August 2023, selling for $12,500 or less
"I have a hard time believing that for the thousand people that have committed to $15,000, that you see a pinball machine that is worth that much money. Look, I've watched so much footage on the Godfather. I haven't really played it much. And I think the game is just okay. I think it looks flat."
Godfather pinball is overpriced and looks flat, not worth $15,000
"you can't have your own employees showing up in an iconic franchise is movie game. You don't get that permission. It's just not the way it works. You can't Easter egg yourselves into those kind of experiences"
Jersey Jack shouldn't put their employees in licensed movie games
"I think this game is going to be a very, and I mean it a very, very slow burn for Jersey Jack Pinball."
Godfather pinball will be a slow burn success for Jersey Jack
"And as I predict it, I think this game is going to be a very, and I mean it a very, very slow burn for Jersey Jack Pinball. There just aren't many new in-box games right now that people want that are brand new."
Prediction: The game will be a very, very slow burn for Jersey Jack Pinball.
"Godfather, not a theme anybody really wanted in pinball. A terrible movie for a pinball machine."
The Godfather is a terrible movie theme for pinball despite being popular
"Godfather is not a good theme for Pinball. It shoots much better than Toy Story 4, but I don't think Godfather is going to sell more than Toy Story."
The Godfather will underperform like Toy Story 4 due to poor theme choice
"It is Jersey Jack pinball's best shooting game today, but it is kind of mechanically empty when you look down at the game"
Godfather is mechanically empty despite being Jersey Jack's best shooting game
"It is really somewhat cringe worthy when you see that happening. I don't want to see Jersey Jack employees in a Godfather game. I don't want to see them as mobsters on the art package of the game."
Jersey Jack employees shouldn't appear in licensed games like Godfather
"People are saying this is Jersey Jack Pinball's best shooting game to date... I still think deep down in our pinball souls, people wish that Jersey Jack Pinball could just check all of the boxes"
Godfather is Jersey Jack's best shooting game but theme is questionable
"I think this game is gonna lose the most value out of all of these new machines over the next four months. And I think you're looking at a $15,000 CE will probably sell for 12 to 13,000."
The Godfather is overpriced and will lose the most value
"The Godfather is one of Jersey Jack Pinball's most barren machines to date. This doesn't feel like the kind of game and the kind of product that Jack Guarnieri wants to make... I think people are getting somewhat tired of Keith and his rules and the constant multiballs and the stacking of multiballs."
The Godfather is one of Jersey Jack's most barren machines with Keith Elwin's overly complex rules
"The other one I think is going to be the big loser is just Godfather LE. I think at $12,000, these Jersey Jack games are just too much money for a game where you're going to make $5,000 of them."
Multiple games will be commercial losers
"I do think the flame on Godfather is going to go out pretty quickly. I do. I don't think this is going to be one of these games where people are going to be clamoring to have it for like six to eight months. It's not going to have the kind of frenzy that Guns N' Roses had."
The Godfather's excitement will fade quickly and won't have lasting appeal
"I spoke to a few distributors, and they're telling me, Chris, Godfather, LE, it's just not selling anywhere near as good as Guns N' Roses, LE... I think that Godfather flame is going to go out pretty quickly. And the reason why I think it's going to go out quickly is the theme integration is just not there. You can't take an iconic movie and then not integrate it the right way."
Godfather has poor theme integration and sales are disappointing compared to Guns N' Roses
"It is one of the worst theme integrated pinball machines. I've ever seen And I will argue this fact against anybody It's not the godfather gang if this isn't the godfather it is basically king pin meets like Cactus Canyon"
Godfather has poor theme integration and doesn't feel like the movie
"It's a terrible theme for pinball. It shouldn't work for pinball. There's absolutely no way Godfather can become a good pinball machine, right?"
Godfather is a terrible theme for pinball that shouldn't work
"I think this is one of Jersey Jack's best shooting games to date. The layout is absolutely incredible... where are the toys? Where is the innovation?"
Jersey Jack's best shooting game with incredible layout and flow but lacks toys and innovation
"This is one of the worst theme-integrated pinball machines I've ever encountered... It's the best Dick Tracy pinball machine ever made that sits inside a godfather cabinet"
The Godfather is the best Dick Tracy pinball machine ever made, but one of the worst theme-integrated pinball machines ever encountered
"it looks like the design direction for this game was not Godfather the movie, it was mousin' around. And as someone said to me, it looks like shampoo bottle tops that kids have in the bathroom. And I'm sorry, but this is not the dark world of Godfather"
Godfather sculpts look wrong for the theme - too cartoonish and campy
"Godfather is a dark R rated movie and now this game is lit up like a Christmas tree. On top of a Christmas tree, it is the ultimate rainbow light show like more so than any other Jersey Jack game before it and none of it works if Godfather is the theme"
Godfather has excessive rainbow lighting that doesn't match the dark theme
"the Godfather pinball machine looks like it's using music that's from The Wizard of Oz and Toy Story 4. It sounds more like a carnival and a slot machine than the iconic movie that was made 50 years ago"
Godfather pinball sounds like carnival/slot machine music instead of iconic movie audio
"I look at this game, and I look at these sculpted mobsters, and I don't feel Godfather, it feels like Cactus Canyon meets the Sopranos"
The Godfather looks like Cactus Canyon meets The Sopranos, not the iconic Godfather film
"I just don't feel like they ever should have made this theme... Jersey Jack should have made the matrix or top gun, or something like back to the future"
The Godfather was a poor theme choice - should have made Matrix, Top Gun, or Back to the Future instead
"After Foo Fighters just felt very underwhelming to me, it just didn't feel very cohesive, and it just doesn't come together, and make me smile the way I smiled when I saw the Foo Fighters package for the first time"
The Godfather feels underwhelming compared to Foo Fighters and lacks cohesiveness
"it looks very gaudy, it looks like something I would see in Trump Tower... it definitely popped out like a very very gaudy piece of furniture in some mobster's penthouse apartment"
The Godfather art package looks gaudy and obnoxious, like something from Trump Tower
"if you buy this game today, you're just going to lose money on this game, this game is not going to go up in price... everyone who buys an LE knows they're going to lose money right away"
At $15,000 for CE, buyers will immediately lose money and should wait to purchase
"Maybe, just maybe, this pinball machine makes total sense because it's going to be different... Maybe you're a grown man who enjoys whiskey and cigars. And when your grown men friends come to your man cave, you want them to say, wow, The Godfather."
Godfather theme might actually work because it's different from the sea of sameness
"And if this game comes out and it is barren and it is Godfather and it doesn't have much in it and it is 12 to $15,000, Jersey Jack Pinball's Godfather will be dead on arrival."
Godfather from JJP will be dead on arrival if it's barren like Toy Story
"I mean, every time we do a survey, Godfather comes up with like three to four games. With like three to four percent of people are excited about this theme. So this game is a ginormous risk for Jersey Jack Pinball"
Godfather theme is a huge gamble that most people aren't excited about
"Here's what I, here's my prediction. I think Godfather is going to be a much more open layout game. I think Eric Meunier wants to prove he can design a game that's fast and flowy."
Prediction: The Godfather game will have a much more open layout and be fast and flowy to prove Eric Meunier can design that style.
"We don't want Godfather. Godfather is a slow dramatic movie. It is not a good theme for Pinball. It's just Jack Guarnieri thinking this theme will sell to the rich New Jersey guys I hang out with"
Godfather is a terrible theme for pinball