Stern Pinball

"You see how stern pinball does it? Look how Jersey Jack pinball did it with Guns N' Roses"

Stern Pinball and Jersey Jack Pinball set the standard for proper game reveals

"How amazing would it be to have Zombie Eddie Keith Owlin and Lyman Sheats on a game Can we just get all the all stars on the court at the same time"

Stern needs to put their best talent together on one masterpiece game

"My prediction in 2021 We're going to Brian Eddy with Godzilla And then I think the next game is going to be Keith Elwin Zombie Yeti Masterpiece And I mean that I think we're going to see a game in August From"

Prediction: Godzilla will be released by end of March 2021 to coincide with the movie, followed by a Keith Elwin game in August that will be a masterpiece.

"I think stern pinball has made more fun games than Jersey Jack pinball has, but we're not talking about fun here. We are talking about people who want the most premium pinball experience."

Stern makes more fun games than Jersey Jack despite JJP being more premium

"They're starting to go after these big themes and remove the expensive assets from the game. We saw it with Jurassic Park. We saw it with Avengers."

Stern's approach of removing expensive assets from licensed games

"People are starting to start threads that said if you have a dream theme, the last company you would want to make it is Stern pinball"

Stern is the last company you'd want to make your dream theme

"You basically are fleecing us all... You know it... You're a multi-millionaire because of these things"

Stern is fleecing customers with high prices and low content

"And yet what does George Gomez and Gary Stern keep telling us over at Stern Pinball? They keep making excuses why the assets are not in the games. And all of you keep buying these games when they be yank the assets out. And I think there's no more excuses."

Stern is making excuses about asset licensing while other companies are proving it can be done

"$450 for a strip of LEDs and some inner art decals... you know how much a strip of LED lights costs 5 to 10 bucks... that is where the biggest profit margin lies now"

Stern's LED accessories are massively overpriced with huge profit margins

"I don't think they're trying to get as many of the assets as they can... They're not going to make the Avengers movie we love now. They're going to make the comic book version. And this is the wrong direction for pinball... I would rather Stern pinball and all the other pinball companies out there... make these games and only make one or two games a year based on blockbuster themes"

Stern should stop making games without proper movie assets and charge more for quality themes

"Stern has baked in to the price of its own product, the flipper price. Stern is now flipping its own product."

Stern is now flipping its own product by baking flipper prices into MSRP

"Stern Pinball is arbitrarily raising the price of Batman and Elvira by 500 bucks that left a bad taste in my mouth and it smelled like a bunch of BS"

Stern arbitrarily raising Batman and Elvira prices by $500 without giving customers anything more

"I don't think anyone would disagree with me, but Stern Pinball has fumbled every major license recently... Star Wars, they messed up. Game of Thrones, they messed up. Led Zeppelin, they messed up."

Stern Pinball consistently fumbles major licensed themes and shouldn't get premium properties

"Stern pinball has this industry down to a science and if you don't think they do you're wrong they know exactly what to do to be successful in pinball"

Stern Pinball has the industry down to a science with their successful formula

"Now, Stern Pinball wants to be the Grinch. They want to use legal messaging and broad legal language to let everybody out there know that when you buy a stern machine, you now don't really own it."

Stern's new end user license agreement is turning them into the Grinch, requiring permission to stream games you own and threatening legal action for modifications

"They are going down a road that is really pathetic... this is why Stern pinball to me is Stern pinball they're always going to act like big brother"

Stern's approach is legally pathetic and driven by greed rather than community support

"Stern Pinball would never show us what they could really do. They would never want to do that because it would make everything else they make look really boring, plain and pedestrian. If they showed us the potential of Stern Pinball we would demand it in every game."

Stern would never show us what they could really do because it would make everything else look pedestrian

"Most of you who are investing heavily in Stern LEs and buying up every new stern machine they make, the truth is there are so many of them. There are a dime a dozen. They're found everywhere"

Most Stern LEs won't be collectible due to overproduction and easy availability

"I will fight any man on planet earth that wants to tell me that any Stern machine is worth $9,000. And I will always believe that, that these machines are not worth that much money."

No Stern machine is worth $9,200 - will fight anyone who disagrees

"this is where I just always feel like Stern goes 75% of the way there"

Stern always stops at 75% effort on their games

"To me, this feels like Steve Ritchie designed this mechanism and you could drop this mech into pretty much any Pinball machine out there"

Stern designs mechanics that aren't theme-specific

"the company right now that makes it the simplest is stern and there's a reason why stern is so damn successful because it's no hassle... they're the simplest and that's why stern dominates"

Stern Pinball dominates because they make it simple and are a well-oiled manufacturing company

"without Stern Pinball, there is no pinball industry. I mean, there really isn't. These guys keep pinball going consistently"

Without Stern Pinball there would be no pinball industry

"as customers in the pinball hobby there is only one company that consistently gets people their games on a timely schedule and that is stern"

Stern Pinball is the only company that consistently delivers games on time

"If you accessorize a stern machine, you are close to $11 to $12,000 if you buy all of the accessories for these machines"

Stern accessories are getting too expensive, approaching $11-12k total cost

"it is a fact that pinball toppers are overpriced and it is a fact that so many of the recent pinball toppers that stern pinball has released have not really given you your money's worth thousand dollar toppers right Ninja Turtles Elvira 700 dollars for the Star Wars topper that looks so cheap"

Stern pinball toppers are overpriced and low quality

"I just want to congratulate the team over at Stern who's doing these code updates because you have to be happy the efficiency and how much faster people are getting their code updates"

Stern's code update efficiency has greatly improved

"if you ask anyone who do you want to make your dream theme if you could pick your company who would make it I think almost 90% of people would say Jersey Jack pinball just because you know that they would put more in the game"

90% of people would prefer Jersey Jack Pinball over Stern to make their dream theme

"the even the best Stern machine just feels like it should cost $7,500 because you're just not getting anything more in the game for their LE"

Stern LE prices don't justify the value compared to Jersey Jack

"I would hate to be stern pinball right now Because we know that stern pinball has been working on their next music pin for 16 months And there is no way whether it's lead zeppelin or queen... There's just no way they're gonna be able to compete with this"

Stern's timing for their next music pin is the worst ever due to GNR

"You can not play Guns N' Roses and then go back and play a stern. You can't. Once you play Guns N' Roses, it makes every stern feel obsolete."

Stern Pinball machines feel obsolete after playing Guns N' Roses

"they make really good games and they are fun but they're not putting everything they can into these games because they don't have to"

Stern Pinball doesn't put everything into games because they don't have to

"I definitely think Stern pinball is like the monster, the juggernaut in the pinball world. They're the Microsoft of pinball. You know they're not the dreamers."

Stern Pinball is like Microsoft - successful but lacking creativity and taste

"The only reason Stern early is $9,000 is because Jersey Jack pinball showed them that there's customers out there that will spend $9,000. Now unfortunately, Jack was putting so much in his machines that they were worth $9,000. But you're buying Stern machines that are worth nowhere near $9,000."

Stern machines are overpriced for what you get

"I think we're getting a lot of artwork to make up for a lack of a lack of wow in the game... when it comes to pure innovation and pure engineering Stern pinball is not giving you the greatest possible pinball experience"

Stern Pinball lacks innovation and uses artwork to cover lack of wow factor

"whether or not you like the node boards on Stern, it is an innovation. Right. They are also being innovative by ripping you off for the replacement cost, but that's the same shit Apple does."

Stern's node boards are actual innovation despite replacement costs

"Stern's already hit a home run with Avengers. So and they're not even talking any smack and that's like that's the sign of a mature Company a successful mature professional company. They're not talking any smack. They're making money the games are already on the line"

Stern is mature and professional, not talking smack like other companies

"if you like pinball you've got to like totally respect Stern pinball and I totally respect Stern pinball and I I think the man I have the most respect for in all of pinballs George Gomez"

Stern Pinball deserves total respect despite quality issues

"I love the way the stern apologists have to always make sure we're hyping everything stern does, We're not allowed to have a difference of opinion on stern's product ever, according to the stern army"

Stern apologists controlling narrative by changing owners thread to hype thread to suppress criticism

"I think what's happening over at Stern is we've got an artist who's incredible, But he's got a certain style and if you see it every three months or four months, There's gonna reach a point where this stuff stops feeling like a moment"

Stern Pinball's frequent releases with same creative teams are creating fatigue and sameness in their lineup

"I think Stern Pinball needs to figure out a different system by which they explain the rules to these games the best time to explain the depth and the rules set and go into extreme detail on how it all connects is not is not the introductory stream of the game"

Stern needs a better system for explaining game rules during introductory streams

"It seems like they're the only pinball company that just gets it done time and time again"

Kaneda believes Stern is the only pinball company that consistently executes on delivering games on time while competitors hype and delay

"I have been saying from day one I wouldn't go back in on a stern machine until they get their playfield quality up"

Kaneda criticizes Stern's playfield quality issues and states he won't buy Stern games until quality improves

"I heard a crazy rumor that Avengers Infinity Quest was originally supposed to be designed as Ninja Turtles"

Kaneda speculates that Avengers Infinity Quest was originally designed as a Ninja Turtles game

"Why don't we just make a topper that looks like it's a $10 prop. You would put in your front yard during Halloween and let's charge $1,000 for it."

Stern's $1000 Elvira topper looks like a $10 Halloween prop and is deliberately exploitative timing

"they're probably still very greedy. They probably still are not going to give us what we're paying for"

Stern's topper pricing strategy is greedy and takes advantage of collectors

"my biggest complaint of Stern pinball and you've heard me is that they lack mechanical engineering they lack putting toys in their games they've used artwork to hide the fact that there's not a lot in the game."

Stern's biggest flaw has been lack of mechanical engineering and toys, which Avengers finally addresses

"Stern Pinball is the only pinball company that has figured out the most important thing in pinball. And that's manufacturing"

Stern Pinball is the only company that figured out manufacturing

"I will say Stern, your playfield quality is not as good as Spookys. It doesn't look as good... If you look at his Stern and you look at Spooky, the Stern one just looks like beat to hell."

Stern playfield quality is inferior to Spooky despite Spooky also having dimple issues

"I think it's the wrong move for pinball and I think for an LE buyer, he should get everything in that game for the amount of money. You are buying machines that only cost them like $3,000 to make. They are selling these machines for double, double and a half and triple what it cost them to make the game."

Stern's DLC toppers are wrong for pinball and LE buyers should get everything included