Pinball Brothers

"There is no way the pinball brothers is in a financially good place. They thought they were going to make 800 of these and they barely sold 200"

Pinball Brothers is failing financially and Predator is a colossal failure

"I think they're done. I do. I think they're done... Nobody would go down a road to get that license without Arnold, do all the work and all we can sell this 300. Absolute failure."

Pinball Brothers' Predator sales are failing

"I think the pinball brothers are done. I don't know if they're going to be done, but that's my guess. I don't think they're going to survive predator. And I think predator is dead on arrival without Arnold."

Pinball Brothers are done, Predator dead on arrival without Arnold

"My prediction is this game will be maybe the last game we see from pinball brothers. I don't want any pinball company to go under, but I just think they made it. They took a huge gamble and it didn't pay off."

Prediction: This game (Predator) will be maybe the last game we see from Pinball Brothers. The company took a huge gamble and it didn't pay off.

"This is true lies because when they say demand is high... They said they were making 800 predators... The rumor I'm hearing is they sold closer to like 100 to 150"

Pinball Brothers are lying about Predator demand and sales numbers

"They leaked out a video that showed everybody Arnold speaking... while that order bank was open before they clarified that that clip was not going to be in the game... that was calculated deception"

Calling out Pinball Brothers for deceptive marketing on Predator

"This is the kind of game that might just sink the pinball brothers. This might be the end of a boutique pinball company."

Predator could be a company killer for Pinball Brothers

"You know how I feel, this thing is kind of like a disaster, it's kind of a disaster that on the week they took non-refundable orders on their game, they had a clip circulating with Arnold and a clip that was never approved by the company."

Strong criticism of Pinball Brothers' Predator launch handling

"I don't want to support companies that are that that's a sleazy answer. There's no other way around it. It's a sleazy answer. It's not a professional answer. It's a cop-out answer"

Pinball Brothers gave a sleazy, unprofessional answer about production limits

"I will say I'm annoyed that they have yet to get back to me. They got back to me the first time like a week ago and have since now ignored every single one of my emails... it only benefits your company to have the top, let's say the retro Ralph should have something. You know what I'm saying? Give the top 10 content creators each something exclusively"

Pinball Brothers' marketing strategy of only giving exclusives to one content creator is poor

"I would not in a million years launch my pinball machine the week after the second biggest IP launch in the history of all the pinball. It just goes to show you these guys don't know what they're doing."

Pinball Brothers launching Predator right after Harry Potter shows they don't know what they're doing

"Talk about a case study in marketing idiocracy... You should have released that game a month ago when you were supposed to. And now you're going to get clobbered in the marketplace."

Pinball Brothers' Predator marketing timing is idiotic

"Look, I've reached out to pinball brothers. I'm like, hey, can you give me something to get my audience excited about your Predator game? And you know what? No email back. No email back. So cool."

Frustrated with Pinball Brothers for not responding to communication attempts

"I just got a copyright infringement on one of my YouTube lives for predator. Now, I think you have to like complain. I'm wondering if the Pinball Brothers are trying to get this channel shut down."

Suspects Pinball Brothers of trying to silence him through copyright strikes on YouTube

"How stupid can you be to not get out in front of Harry Potter? They're going to sell at least 5,000 units of this game at least. It doesn't matter. The theme is that big. And then you're going to wait until all that money is absorbed by your potential buyer base. And then you're going to release Predator? Idiotic."

Pinball Brothers made a strategic mistake waiting too long to release Predator

"if you're a boutique, if you're pinball brothers, don't release your game. When there's 52 weeks in the year, why would you release your game right on top of Jersey Jack's biggest release ever?"

Pinball Brothers should not release Predator at same time as Harry Potter

"So you have a company that's basically known for not making good games. For lack of a better way to say it, they just have never made a good game. And now they're making predator, which is a theme that definitely is a good theme for this demo."

Pinball Brothers has never made a good game and Predator will be their first real test

"But again, it's the pinball brothers. These guys are not known for making great games."

Pinball Brothers are not known for making great games

"But anyway, the pinball Brothers after making a horrible game after a horrible game is all of a sudden going to make a great Predator machine. It was never going to happen."

Pinball Brothers will never make a great game

"And there's no room now for C students. I mean it. Like, there's no room in the Pinball Market for C students that are charging A student prices for their products."

Pinball Brothers should just get out of the business - no room for C students charging A student prices

"And if you don't have Arnold dead on arrival, dead on arrival. And I think there's a 99% chance now they don't have Arnold."

Pinball Brothers' Predator is dead on arrival without Arnold Schwarzenegger

"Pinball brothers hasn't made a good game on their own. I don't think it starts now."

Pinball Brothers hasn't made a good game independently

"So Pinball Brothers has the license for Predator. The only issue with the license they have is they only have the US license for the game. That means they can only sell the game in America. They can't sell it in Europe and they can't sell it in Australia."

Pinball Brothers' Predator licensing limited to US only

"I also know the game was designed in-house. Of course, that makes me nervous. I would love this game to be designed by someone of notoriety that we know knows how to make great games"

Nervous about Pinball Brothers designing Predator in-house

"albeit they're not the greatest games on the planet, it's still going to be priced very competitively"

Pinball Brothers games aren't the greatest but are competitively priced

"If they don't have a banger coming, I think these guys might be done with it. I mean it. This might be done with it. I don't think Abba was a big seller and I don't mean like they're going to go out of business. I just think the pinball brothers themselves who by the way are not brothers. I just think they're going to fall out of love with the amount of heavy lifting required to bring a commercial pinball machine to market, to make it safe to put in people's homes."

Pinball Brothers might be done after current projects

"Really weird timing that they really went out the week before Abba comes out to let everybody know that we haven't been with the company in months... It almost feels like they're trying to sabotage a little bit the launch of this Abba game"

Criticism of Pinball Brothers timing their departure announcement right before Abba launch

"The one thing that's really disappointing, and I think this is with all of Alien, is you still don't get synced up video from the movie. But in a $13,000 stern or a $15,000 Jersey Jack, every time you have an asset from a movie, it better be from that movie. It better be synced up properly."

Pinball Brothers Alien lacks proper video/audio sync from movie assets despite having Ripley in the game

"I don't think that Pinball Brothers are going to release a new game. I think they're going to announce a partnership with Rick and Planetary. And I think they are going to announce that they will be making a remake of a classic Pinball machine."

Pinball Brothers will likely announce partnership with Rick and remake classic game, not new design

"The game feels very dated it feels dated in every way... It just feels like a B level game and the problem with queen pinball is it cost as much as games like Guns N' Roses games like Foo Fighters"

Queen pinball feels very dated despite good flipper mechanics

"I almost feel bad for you because this game just doesn't feel like it's gonna live up to a game like Rush or Guns N' Roses or Metallica or AC/DC or AAerosmith. Like if you go down a list of all the music pins, this machine reminds me a lot of a game called Lead Zeppelin."

Queen Pinball by Pinball Brothers feels uncompetitive and reminds him of disappointing Led Zeppelin pinball

"Now, at what point do we start calling a spade a spade with this game? This is a really amateur move, and if you're trying to get into the goodwill of the community, how can you take people's money and not show them the game if the game is ready?"

Pinball Brothers taking deposits without showing Queen gameplay is amateur and a red flag

"Why wouldn't they show you it if it was great? Why wouldn't they show you what they got if it was amazing?"

Pinball Brothers hiding Queen gameplay for a reason - disingenuous behavior

"Now Pinball Brothers is not Stern Pinball. They're not Jersey Jack Pinball. They don't have a track record of starting production on time."

Pinball Brothers lacks credibility and track record for on-time delivery

"I predict that they'll get all the aliens made by the end of this year. I also predict that they will get their queen pinball machine made."

Prediction: They will complete all Aliens games and get their Queen pinball machine made by the end of the year.

"I want to say congratulations to the pinball brothers on delivering on your promise and on getting people these games. This is what pinball is all about. It should be no more complicated than that. As a customer, you should not be waiting years to get the game you pay for."

Pinball Brothers deserve congratulations for delivering Alien remake

"I think this is a good day for you. I think you've seen this game now and you see that the build quality looks really good"

Pinball Brothers Alien has good build quality but poor aesthetics and marketing

"Have you seen a gameplay video of this game from the pinball brothers yet? You have not. We haven't seen anybody play it yet... what is this just like extreme laziness or you just couldn't do it"

Pinball Brothers failed to properly market Alien with no gameplay videos

"These gentlemen have no idea how to market this product on any level"

Pinball Brothers completely lack marketing competence and proper game reveal strategy

"I think they lack polish. I think they lack taste... I just don't think this company understands how to make this thing beautiful"

Pinball Brothers lack taste, polish, and understanding of modern pinball standards

"So here's my prediction I think this game is going to come out I don't think people are going to lose their shirt If they go in on an alien And I think that the LEs will eventua"

Prediction: The Alien pinball game will come out, people won't lose their money investing in it, and the LEs will eventually sell.

"Those inserts in the middle of the playfield that are where the screen used to be, I think they look horrible... I don't think these gentlemen have an eye for detail. I don't think they know how to make stuff aesthetically pleasing"

Pinball Brothers made the Alien game less appealing with poor aesthetic choices

"If you're going to come back and announce that you're making a game that many people paid for and never got their machine, if you're going to say to the world, hey, we're back, we have Alien and it's for real this time... You have games in boxes already made. Why would you reveal to the world your plans on December 18th if you don't have any games made yet?"

Pinball Brothers made a major mistake by revealing Alien without showing actual manufacturing or finished games

"What did Dutch do? Barry turned his new line on and his Barry doing podcasts, is Barry doing victory laps, is Barry doing reveals like this? No, what they're doing is, is they're putting their heads down and making the game... Don't do reveals. Don't do interviews. Don't pat yourself on the back. Go make these games."

Pinball Brothers should follow Dutch Pinball's example - stop doing interviews and just make games

"that is why I think this is a colossal mistake if you wanted to put a stake in the ground and say we are an all new company this is an all new reimagining of alien pinball... the greatest way they could have visually brought that to life and said this is a brand new game even though it's based on an older design is to change the artwork on it"

Pinball Brothers made a colossal mistake keeping the same artwork from Heighway Pinball - should have created new art to differentiate themselves

"here's the one question I would ask because they were over there taking people's pre-order money when they knew the strategy was to bankrupt Heighway Pinball the question I want to know is how much money did the pinball brothers acquire the Heighway Pinball assets... I'm hearing some rumors that it was comically low like comically low"

Critical questioning of Pinball Brothers about their acquisition of Heighway Pinball assets

"You should have lost all your money because there is no obligation by the pinball brothers to do anything. And I know I said on my last show that they're still the same company like these guys were behind the scenes at Heighway Pinball but they lost millions. I can guarantee you this that these investors lost way more way more money than anyone who bought an alie"

Opinion reversal on Pinball Brothers: was "They're still the same company like these guys were behind the scenes at Heig...", now "They lost millions and way more money than anyone who bought an alien"

"I want to say this to the pinball brothers, if they are listening, I respect this offer and I think the community will respect this offer and I think this was super important to do and I think it's a commendable thing for them to do."

Pinball Brothers offering 50% vouchers to Heighway Pinball victims is commendable and should be respected

"You need to give them credit towards the new Alien machine and you need to think this through and you need to articulate what that will be on day one of announcing this game is coming back."

Pinball Brothers should give credit to Heighway Pinball customers on new Alien machine

"We are sorry to hear that you lost money. We know exactly how that feels exclamation point. However, pinball brothers has no liability for the debts of another company."

Pinball Brothers claiming no liability for Heighway Pinball debts despite being the same investors