Limited Edition

"it's starting to feel like the LE does not stand for limited edition anymore. It stands for loser edition because everyone's losing so much money"

LE stands for 'loser edition' because everyone's losing money

"Every LE needs to go back to being only 500 units. They have to do that. This 800 and something or 1000, it just doesn't work."

Stern should increase prices but drastically limit LE production to 500 units

"If you're going to spend twice as much money on the creme de la creme version of the game, why isn't there an exclusive mode?"

Limited Edition games should have exclusive content to justify premium pricing

"It's at the point now where I was reading Pinside and even the dude Iceman who collected the most L.E.s ever. Like he's got nothing but L.E.s. And even he's now saying like L.E.s don't matter anymore. Nobody cares."

Limited editions don't matter anymore - even top collectors are giving up on them

"I'm so happy that Stern Bimbal is only making 500. They needed to do this. This was the time to do this. This is them listening to us. They got to get back to the FOMO"

Stern should make 500 LEs instead of more - FOMO is good for the hobby

"I just don't see $3,000 more in value for the limited edition version of the game... it's just like the guy that buys the LE is not having $3,000 more fun. There's nothing really exclusive that's worth the money."

Limited Edition pricing doesn't justify the value difference from Premium

"I don't know why nobody in pinball can actually address the issue of we're making too many LEs, we're making too many CEs. It's just got to stop."

Companies need to reduce the quantity of limited editions instead of maintaining high numbers

"The whole concept of a limited edition game that is going to create crazy FOMO and having a thousand people trying to beat down a door to get one of these pinball machines for $13,000. I think it's almost over for good. I really do."

The era of limited edition FOMO and $13,000 pinball machines is over

"now the LE does not stand for a limited edition, it stands for Loser Edition, because you are losing the most money out of everybody else."

LE now stands for 'Loser Edition' because buyers lose the most money

"I'd rather have 500 LEs of any game in the world. And that's it. When you make 1,000 units of the same exact looking game, it's just not limited. It's just never going to be limited."

Limited editions should be capped at 500 units maximum, not 1,000

"To me, that is the ideal number of a machine when you want to create some sort of limited nature around the machine. 500. No more, no less."

500 units should be the maximum for limited edition pinball machines to maintain scarcity and value

"there's absolutely no gameplay difference. There's no real feature difference between LEs and premiums, between collectors, additions and LEs over at Jersey Jack Pinball"

Modern LEs and CEs lack meaningful differentiation from premiums despite higher prices

"8,000 LE's is really not that limited. It's a lot. And I do miss the days in which they were more like 250 or 500... a $25,000 pinball machine is absolutely idiotic if you ask me"

Limited editions are overpriced and not truly limited anymore

"It's amazing that Stern and everybody else has cajoled all of us into placing value on what's value list. Like we are placing value on a plaque and some armor and some stickers and that's it."

Limited editions are valueless and people are foolish to pay premiums for them

"And there is gonna come a point. And I mean this. In which the FOMO. And all the running to these rare versions of the game. I do think we're all starting to feel like some fatigue. And some expiration date on this kind of pinball"

FOMO and limited editions are reaching a fatigue point

"This is all modern day manipulated FOMO. That's all it is. These aren't rare games... None of this has any value other than collectors in modern days who are just running after this stuff."

FOMO collecting is manipulated and meaningless - collectors should stop chasing limited editions

"The only way to get one is to spend a couple thousand over sticker to get one. Guess what? Spend it... Spend it and be happy and shut up about it."

Limited edition collectors should pay premium prices without complaining

"If you simply don't give a crap about a limited edition pinball machine, you will never have to fall into this shit show... if you don't care about looking better than your neighbor's collection, you will never fall into this shit show."

You can sidestep the expensive collectible market and still enjoy pinball

"can Jersey Jack make more... and the answer there is no you can't do that you have to stay true to making the amount you said you were going to make"

Jersey Jack should not make more collector's editions - must stay true to the 500 limit

"Now I think the whole LE market is completely softened. I really do. I think the last LE that was like take my money now, sold out immediately was iron maiden. But I think since then people have realized that these things are not that limited, they're not that rare, they're not that hard to get"

LE market has completely softened since Iron Maiden

Limited edition games should include radcale artwork, color-coordinated rubbers, and sculpted toppersextracted summary

"I think a lot of us have woken up to the reality that so much of the L.E. package is just cosmetic, right? It's cosmetic differences. The gameplay is exactly the same as the premium."

Modern Stern and JJP Limited Editions are overpriced and lose value quickly because they lack true gameplay differences

"I do think that a number closer to 250 feels about right... I don't really, really, really have to make a good game still to make that 250 sell... I think for the amount of money people are paying for limited edition games... there should be a limited experience that only those people get."

Limited edition games should be truly limited (250 copies) and offer unique gameplay experiences, not just artwork

"flipping pinball machines for a profit Because you got one of the limited versions those days are over they're done. They're gone"

The era of flipping pinball machines for profit is over

"LE is starting to stand for the loser edition. Yes, you are starting to showcase that you are loser. If you are buying an L.E. and there's no real value"

LE now stands for 'Loser Edition' - you're a loser if you buy LEs with no real value

"I don't think most pinball machines are collectible in any sense of the word because there's just too many of them out there. This whole notion that the trim package makes something collectible and that will be the one everybody wants. I think is ridiculous."

Most pinball machines aren't truly collectible due to high production numbers

"I think that if you buy an Elie for 13 or $14,000, and that's almost double the price of the premium, I think we are now at the point now. It's stupid... These games do not provide $14,000 worth of entertainment"

Limited Edition games selling for $13-14k are overpriced and provide poor value

"I think right now we're at a time where limited editions and we're only going to make this many and this and that yada yada yada that whole thing is going to be over soon"

The limited edition scarcity model is ending - games need to be awesome, not just limited