King Kong

"King Kong Art? I mean, it's fine. But man, no. In fact, the vitriol, a lot of the vitriol for Kong outside of lack of assets is the art package and how all the art packages look the same and how that comic book stylized Kong is not how you relate to King Kong."

King Kong art doesn't deserve awards - makes people upset and looks generic

"It was their creative choice not to go with the movie clips. That's what he told me. It's like we decided creatively not to go get assets from the King Kong movie and I said to him I think that's a creative mistake. You got Godzilla you went and got all the assets from the Godzilla movies and TV shows and that's what everybody loved"

King Kong creative decision to avoid movie clips was a mistake

"The topper for King Kong, lazy, right? I mean, they literally have stuck the mechanism from in the game on top of the topper... Like they're doing this because they have unsold games. They have all these leftover parts and they're lazy."

King Kong topper and marquee changes are lazy efforts by Stern

"carry harder losing 3500 dollars on a brand new Keith L. and King Kong LE is a disaster think about that for a minute and I said it on my show since 2000 like basically in Stern's like 30 40 year history you never would have lost 3500 dollars on a pinball machine ever"

Keith Elwin's King Kong LE losing $3500 is unprecedented and disastrous

"The main reason that King Kong did not sell well is that it didn't look good. If King Kong looked like the classic Kong movie posters and had footage from the classic Kong films, it would have sold three times more units."

King Kong failed because it didn't look good and wasn't based on the classic Kong films

"People don't want to say it, but that's why King Kong. It's half the reason why the game failed. I don't think people want it. A game that looked like King Kong for your kids. I just don't think we wanted it. It looked like a cartoon on Netflix. It didn't look like iconic Kong."

King Kong failed partly because of its cartoon-like comic book artwork style

"There are people that won't tell you that King Kong LE is a rip off because they want to get invited back to Stern."

Stern's King Kong LE is a rip off

"Kong is the new Avengers it is I actually think Avengers shoots more interesting than Kong. Kong is just it's just not clicking with people."

Kong (King Kong) game criticism

"King Kong is a failure... Nobody wants the game. I think they finally sold that new in a box game for $10,400"

King Kong pinball is a complete failure

"This game is never going to click for people... When you hit start on King Kong, you feel nothing. There is nothing you hear. There is nothing you feel that transports you to that place you need to be instantly in a pinball machine."

King Kong will never click with people like other Stern games did - lacks emotional impact at game start

"Now, King Kong is a flop. It's a total flop. Stern has nailed, did not want to spend that much money on an asset list King Kong"

King Kong is a total flop

"watching the collapse of the King Kong value is absolutely amazing... King Kong is the next Avengers I said it from the very beginning"

King Kong is collapsing in value and will be the next Avengers

"can't even sell a King Kong, a brand new King Kong LE new in a box is having a hard time sell for $11,000... it's King Kong, it's Keith Owens and it's kind of like eh, you know nobody's really dying to get their hands on one"

King Kong LE is performing poorly in the market

"Kong better than Iron Maiden in my opinion it is and I'll tell you why I can't stand Iron Maiden music I I literally never understood why that band was even remotely popular I would rather own a King Kong and an Iron Maiden"

King Kong is better than Iron Maiden because of the music preference

"I think everyone who's looking at King Kong is like we're not getting what King Kong is all about. And so that is why Kong is sort of dying on the vine."

King Kong is failing commercially and represents poor value

"The response to King Kong is not an indictment of Elwin's game as a as a pinball gameplay experience the indictment on King Kong and the resistance To celebrate the game...it is the community pushing back against Stern being so cheap and not getting the King Kong license properly"

King Kong's poor reception is due to Stern cutting corners - community pushing back against cheap licensing and rushed art package

"It makes that King Kong look like a $6,000 game like it it it the Kong is dull. It is boring. It isn't like claw it just it it looks cheap everything about it looks dated. Stern's inability to increase its platform to bring out spike three"

King Kong looks like a $6000 game next to Harry Potter - it's dull, boring, and dated due to Stern's inability to upgrade their platform

"Stern's King Kong game is a total miss. It's a total miss they did not capture the iconic King Kong in any way shape or form they didn't serve back to us iconic King Kong moments."

King Kong is a total miss that doesn't capture the iconic character

"King Kong's not selling well at all... The big issue with King Kong is his arms are falling off. Stern, you can't release a King Kong game with a masturbating King Kong and his arms fall off."

King Kong is failing due to mechanical issues and poor sales

"King Kong is the new Avengers. It's it's great to shoot. Nobody will nobody cares about it though that much"

King Kong and Avengers are forgettable games despite shooting well

"In the end, out of all of these games, Potter, Kong, Portal, Dune, out of this new crop of game, I do think the game when all is said and done, that's going to be like the most fun to play. I think it's going to be King Kong."

King Kong will be the most fun game out of the current crop when code is finished

"I think they set him up a little bit to fail on it. I do because they didn't license the iconic Kong."

Kong's art package problems due to licensing limitations, not Jeremy Packer's fault

"The mechanical issues with this game is really something that nobody wants to go in on right now. If I were you, I would maybe be a little bit hesitant, maybe a lot of bit hesitant to go in on a game where the majority of the thread, and this is the King Kong hype and owners threads, the majority of the conversation is how to fix the game, how to get the game working consistently."

King Kong has serious mechanical issues that make it not worth buying

"This playfield artwork looks like a clown vomited all over it. It looks like Kaneda's wardrobe. It looks like Elvira did a line of Coke and then shot some acid. Like it's so bad. Like it's so bad, it's laughable."

King Kong playfield artwork looks like clown vomit

"This seems to be quite possibly, maybe, Keith L. Wins best shooting game today. It seemingly is also, and I think this is accurate. I think it's going to be his easiest game to date, which, by the way, I think will translate into being the most fun Keith L. Wins game ever for the pinball buying demographic."

King Kong will be Keith Elwin's best shooting game and easiest to play

"They can't figure out how to get this guy and his big arms to move correctly. If you update it, your game to the new code, it recalibrated where King Kong's arms are. I'm reading everyone is having issues with this damn ape and this is a problem"

King Kong's mechanical gorilla continues to have calibration problems

"Kong's arms are falling off. You've got to buy some dudes mod so the Vuck doesn't shake. Really? For $13,000... Really for $13,000, Stern hasn't fixed it yet."

King Kong quality issues make it not worth the price

"The quality is not great. Kong's arms are falling off. You've got to buy some dude's mod so the buck doesn't shake. Really for $13,000, I have to now go buy a bracket from a dude who's making them."

King Kong pinball has quality issues and insufficient appeal

"Is that game going to have some sort of second life because I think sales have pretty much flatlined on that machine?"

King Kong sales have flatlined

"the reason why King Kong LE will never sell out and will never hold value is again it's like I just said every single unboxing of King Kong I can't even tell you if I'm looking at the unboxing of a pro of premium or an LE that's why this game will never hold any collectability"

King Kong LE will never sell out or hold value due to identical appearance across all models

"I don't think King Kong is as bad as people are saying. I also don't think Harry Potter is as good as people are saying because of the code issues."

King Kong isn't as bad as people say, Harry Potter isn't as good due to code issues

"I actually think King Kong's got way more in it mechanically than this game. I do. I do. I don't know which one shoots better because I haven't played Harry Potter yet. Kong shoots fine. It shoots, you know, great shooter. But I think King Kong's got way more interesting stuff to look at as well."

King Kong has more interesting mechanics than Harry Potter

"King Kong's not a hit. I'm in the thread. I get you guys are enjoying the pin. It's not a hit game though guys. It's not. But the L.E.s are still not sold out. That is embarrassing."

King Kong is not a successful pinball game

"Two opposing things can be true at the same time. That King Kong can be a great game that's also going to lose so much value... everybody is saying, yeah, I think the game is great. And I'll pick one up when it's two to three thousand dollars cheaper in six months."

King Kong shoots well but will lose significant value, making it a poor purchase decision

"Really, really, this has got to make Stern nervous. Their great Keith Elwin did not achieve a sellout. Game has been out now. What? Three weeks? Really bad sign. I told you that game would be $10,000 in six months and it might even be lower than that."

King Kong failed to sell out and will drop to $10,000

"It's not selling very well. It's clear that it's not selling very well... I think Stern made every model look too similar. I think King Kong without assets doesn't really work. I think people have zombie Eddie fatigue"

King Kong is not selling well due to similar models, lack of assets, and zombie fatigue

"King Kong LE, like I predicted, will be $10,000 within six months. If not sooner than that."

Prediction: King Kong LE will be priced at $10,000 within six months.

"King Kong LE, like I predicted, will be $10,000 within six months. If not sooner than that. Nobody wants King Kong LE. If you have one right now, congratulations. You just lost $3,000 and you joined the Chump Club. You told everybody that $13,000 is chump change or you're just a chump."

King Kong LE will lose significant value and buyers are chumps

"I'm here to tell you people no, it is not. There is no way an asset list King Kong game is going to be ranked the number one game of all time. It is not happening"

King Kong will never be ranked as the number one game of all time due to lack of assets

"That the goose that lays the golden egg, Keith Elwin, can't even sell 932 games of an iconic global property like King Kong to a global buying pinball community."

Keith Elwin's King Kong LE failing to sell out is significant

"I think Kong is going to be a phenomenal game. I think it's going to be a fun shooter for people I think it's going to be like you know one of a you know the LEn fans are going to love it. I think it's a fun for people I do I there's a lot to shoot at. I also don't think it's worth anywhere near the money and that's my thing is I just I'm over Stern's modern pricing."

Kong will be a good game but overpriced

"The spider is the modern version of a Thai fighter on a spring. I am so shocked that Keith Elwin and the design team ended up with that as a mechanism in his game. It's so lazy and it also looks so silly in real life."

King Kong has disappointing mechanisms especially the spider mech

"If I were you, I would just go grab a King Kong Pro. If you buy a Pro, you're gonna get the best parts of this game. You're not gonna miss out on anything that's really magical... if you buy a $13,000 LE, you're gonna lose your shirt."

Recommendation to buy King Kong Pro instead of LE to avoid financial loss

"I guarantee you this game will be easy to get and for much less money than $13,000, especially because the premium looks exactly the same."

Prediction: The game will be easy to get and available for much less money than $13,000.

"So if you are out there right now and you have King Kong FOMO on an LE, I guarantee you this assetless game is not going to be the next Godzilla."

Prediction: King Kong will not become the next Godzilla and will be easy to get for much less than retail.

"It's going to be 10,000 in six months... I guarantee you this assetless game is not going to be the next Godzilla. No way will it ever become that."

King Kong LE will be available for $10,000 in six months, not worth FOMO buying

"I put a side-by-side photo of King Kong LE and King Kong Premium, and they look exactly the same. There's a little bit of a difference on the front artwork by the coin door, and there's the inner art decals that you could easily get and the armor, but the main art on the cabinet, on the playfield, exactly the same."

King Kong LE doesn't differentiate enough from Premium despite being $3,500 more

"I went on the record for saying, I think King Kong LE is 10k. It's 10k by the end of the year."

King Kong LE predicted to drop to $10k by end of year due to lack of exclusivity

"I do feel the repetition of the art on the cabinets is highly disappointing. It just does not make the LE feel special at all. So I'm really disappointed in that."

King Kong LE artwork and pricing criticism - repetitive cabinet art, overpriced, not special enough

"when I look at the Stern game it's just it's the it's a kid's Netflix Kong it's not Kong... it's just so jumpy. Like, I don't feel..."

King Kong animations look childlike compared to the romantic, atmospheric Peter Jackson films