John Wick
game"John Wick LE. Guess how many are up for sale? Zero. Zero. And there are wanted ads. This is nuts."
John Wick LE is the only Stern that's holding value - impossible to find for sale
"how much of a moron did you have to be to buy John Wick or Venom LE at 13,000 I mean seriously think about it"
Buyers of John Wick and Venom are morons
"Every time I walk away, I say to myself, I'm good for the rest of my life on John Wick pinball. It just doesn't feel like a game that compels me much to play it. It's really fast. It's really brutal. And I just don't find it to be that much fun."
John Wick is not compelling - too fast and brutal without fun factor
"I'd be as depressed as John Wick owners realizing Tim Sexton has left stern pinball and their games will never be finished. Stern's not going to make John Wick any better. You've got a sinking asset. John Wick, L.E.'s are going to be like $7,000 real soon."
John Wick games are sinking assets that will be worth $7,000 soon because Tim Sexton left Stern
"John Wick owners, you know you're screwed... Anybody who bought John Wick examined their heads because if you knew anything about pinball, you knew this title was going to tank just like Venom and you went in on it. What's wrong with you?"
John Wick buyers should have known better
"Like if you bought a John Wick L.E. for 13. Golf clap for you because those games are going to be like 85 hundred by end of next year. Like literally you're going to lose like almost 45 hundred bucks on it like it's just not going to be."
John Wick will lose significant value due to weak theme and content
"this is probably one of Stern's weakest launches in company history next to Venom and WWE and Mustang and there's not that many Stern games that have just been flops. This game really was a flops."
John Wick was one of Stern's biggest flops in company history
"John Wick Without Guns is hands down easily maybe the worst pinball theme integration of all time. The fact that they released John Wick With No Guns, one of the worst theme integrated decisions of all time"
John Wick without guns is maybe the worst pinball theme integration of all time
"I guarantee you by the end of this year, 2025, because this year is almost over. By the end of next year, 2025, you're gonna see John Wick LEs for $8 to $8,500. You're gonna lose about $5,000 on that game."
Prediction: By the end of 2025, John Wick LEs will sell for $8,000-$8,500, causing owners to lose about $5,000.
"They're gonna make the game fun and approachable... I think you're gonna go get a John Wick LE for like 8,500. I mean it. They made a thousand of those things and there are nowhere near gonna hold the price of 13K."
John Wick will become fun but won't hold its $13K price - LEs will sell for $8,500 used
"John Wick is one of the most uninspired games I've ever seen. There's no, nothing interesting happening in it. The mechs are boring, unimaginative. There's no creativity in that game."
"John Wick was a sales colossal nightmare for them. It didn't sell very well"
John Wick was a sales disaster for Stern
"We all know the reason why John Wick has been an abysmal failure for this major pinball company. They did not expect such weak sales from that game."
John Wick is an abysmal failure with weak sales for Stern
"John Wick game, which is absolutely dead on arrival. It has absolutely nothing magical in it."
John Wick is absolutely dead on arrival with nothing magical
"And this Godzilla premium, I bet the orders are not flying off the shelf... that just goes to show you ladies and gentlemen that John Wick is not selling at all."
John Wick is failing commercially and forcing Stern to rush next game
"when you look at John Wick, every time I look at the game, I have absolutely zero interest in playing this John Wick pinball machine. It feels like the game almost never came out. And I think it's because when you look down at it, it really is very uninspired from a creative level."
John Wick is uninspired and generates zero interest
"John Wick sales are abysmal, we're now starting to see John Wick LE's sell for like $10,500"
John Wick sales are abysmal
"This new Stern LE has lost $2,000. What does that mean when you telegraph to 999 other buyers that they just lost $2,000 on a cardboard box?"
John Wick LE has immediately lost $2,000 in value, being sold for $11,000 after only 29 plays
"John Wick is going to go down. I mean, this one, I say this people, John Wick will be, I think, one of the most like tanking stern games ever. What I mean by tanking, I think John Wick is going to hold less value than almost any modern stern. I think you're going to see John Wick LEs for $5,000 less within just like six months, not even a year."
John Wick will be one of the worst tanking Stern games ever
"if you bought a John Wick LE for 13,000, trust me, you lost $5,000, it's gonna be worth eight grand within a year"
John Wick LE buyers lost $5,000, will be worth $8k within a year
"nobody cares about these John Wick contracts"
Nobody cares about John Wick contracts, they're not selling well
"Mark my words, John Wick Elyse will be selling for $8,000. Nobody, nobody's going to want one after the big Titans hit Pokemon."
Prediction: John Wick Elite will be selling for $8,000 a year from now due to upcoming big titles like Pokemon, Back to the Future, and Harry Potter.
"John Wick was the worst launch in the history of Stern Pinball. And the sales are abysmal and the game is not selling... enjoy your $13,000 John Wick people because it's going to be worth $8,000 a year from now"
John Wick was the worst launch in Stern Pinball history and will drop to $8,000
"if you bought an LE of John Wick, you just lost like $4,000 because there's less demand for this game than even Venom"
John Wick LE is a massive failure - buyers lost $4000 instantly
"John Wick is a sales failure."
John Wick is a sales failure for Stern
"No matter how much stern desperately tries to sell this game, it's never going to catch on."
John Wick pinball will never catch on despite Stern's efforts
"if you buy a John Wick LE, you are losing three to $4,000 by the end of the year"
John Wick LE will lose buyers $3,000-4,000 and should be avoided
"John Wick is an abysmal failure for Stern. The sales are terrible. Nothing is going to turn it around"
John Wick is an abysmal failure with terrible sales
"John Wick sales are abysmal. I mean, John Wick has been out now for three to four weeks. And all I'm seeing is four sale ads for these LEs. I don't know who's buying them. I see nothing but listings from distributors trying to move these John Wick LEs."
John Wick sales are abysmal with distributors unable to move LE units
"if you put up a thread today how do you feel about Kaneda I'm serious if you put up a thread on Pinside today someone do this how do you feel about Kaneda I would have four pages by noon by noon today there will be four pages of people articulating what a narcissistic sociopathic nightmare of a toxic pinball personality I am that's cool that's cool if you want to see what live and rent free is go do that thread and see how many people have strong opinions four pages on a brand new stern game that's been out for three weeks now and they can't even get past four pages in an owner's club that's pathetic this is the worst launch they've had since wwe"
John Wick is Stern's worst launch since WWE - only 4 pages in owner's club after 3 weeks
"the game itself is pretty brutal. It's pretty hard. It's like Ninja Turtles all over again. And the early reports from people who have been playing this game, they're not walking away in love with the game... It's just not cohesive and it's just not going to work"
John Wick gameplay is brutal and hard like Ninja Turtles, with disconnect between fast gameplay and LCD content
"This whole thing is calculated. This whole thing is happening for a reason. Stern Pinball is not selling this game."
Stern Pinball media tour is a calculated panic move due to John Wick's poor sales
"What I'm not hearing is this. I'm not hearing anybody articulate a single real moment of wow in the game. And that is the problem. Where is the wow?"
John Wick lacks wow moments and isn't worth $13,000
"What do you do now with the thousand John Wick LEs where there's no demand? If you bought one, you just lost $4,000."
John Wick buyers lost $4000 due to lack of demand
"It is the most boring games to witness being played... This game just lacks personality. It lacks like a soul. Like it's just this numb experience and you could see it in the code and you can see it in the gameplay."
John Wick is boring to watch and lacks personality
"If you buy a John Wick LE, you're an idiot at $13,000. You're going to lose $3,000 to $4,000. Idiot move, right? There's no demand for this game."
John Wick LE buyers are idiots who will lose $3,000-4,000
"What this guy did was he just showed you what the real market value is for a John Wick. And now everyone who bought one for $13,000 feels like an idiot."
A buyer successfully getting John Wick LE for $11,000 instead of $13,000 exposed the real market value
"John Wick sales are abysmal. Everyone knows it. Like you can see it everywhere... It is dead on arrival."
John Wick pinball has abysmal sales and is dead on arrival
"The real issue with John Wick, it's freaking empty. The game is freaking empty. And you can't sell a freaking empty game for this much money."
John Wick pinball is overpriced for what you get - the game is empty compared to older Stern games
"Because if you admit right now that you bought a John Wick LE, you might as well wear a t-shirt that says, Dummy, like you're a dummy. Like you just lost three to four thousand dollars."
John Wick LE buyers are viewed as making a poor financial decision
"That's why John Wick is an utter failure and that's why John Wick will always be a failure and that's why John Wick will never succeed"
John Wick is an utter failure that will never succeed
"If you bought a John Wick LE, you just lit three to four thousand dollars on fire, brother. I mean Javier, you know I love you brother but man it is the dumbest LE you can ever buy right now."
John Wick LE is the dumbest purchase in pinball right now - buyers will lose $3,000-4,000
"stern pinball just launched it's a basic game there's not this masterpiece or there's nothing that was shown yesterday that makes me feel like this game is elevating anything new there's no real toys in it that are impressive the layout is pretty pedestrian"
John Wick is a basic game with no impressive toys or mechanics for the price point
"like it's over it's over like if you bought a John Wick at least you just lost three to four thousand dollars I guarantee you I guarantee you I will shut my show off for a month for a month"
Prediction: People who bought John Wick have lost three to four thousand dollars.
"after a week of probably the worst Stern launch in history"
John Wick had the worst Stern launch in history due to poor marketing decisions
"There's no way they're going to sell a thousand John Wicks at $13,000... $1,000 at $13,000 is not a sustainable thing."
John Wick at $13,000 for 1,000 units is not sustainable and won't sell
"you almost have to be a moron to buy a John Wick LE new inbox for $13,000. Stern is gonna make every one of these games by the end of this year... By the end of this year, trust me, new inbox, John Wick LE's will be selling for $9,000."
Buyers of John Wick LE at $13,000 are morons - price will drop to $9,000 by year end
"When the main feature of a Stern Pinball machine that they want you to buy for $13,000. When the main feature is a bash toy that swings out that opens up a ball pathway, that's the main mechanism in this game."
John Wick is overpriced and lacks innovation compared to other modern pinball games
"they are saying that John Wick is more fun to play and more unique and more entertaining and gives you that one more ball I got to jump on the game again feel they're saying this game is more fun than Jaws pinball and then Foo Fighters"
John Wick will be superior to recent Stern releases like Jaws and Foo Fighters
"this game is going to have three ramps in it which also leads me to believe that there will be more than two flippers in this game so you heard it here first a three ramp game in John Wick I heard the action is really fast I hear it's really fun"
Prediction: John Wick will be a three ramp game with more than two flippers.