Haggis Pinball

"I mean this, if you ordered a Centaur or Blivian edition, how do you wake up and look at yourself in the mirror? Like, you knew it wasn't going to happen. Like, everybody was telling you don't do it."

Harsh criticism of people who ordered Haggis Pinball's final games despite obvious red flags

"the red flags were there from the very beginning... nobody who listened to Kaneda lost any money. And if you didn't listen to Kaneda, you might have lost a lot of money."

Haggis Pinball situation was predictable and people should have listened to warnings

"I do know this, that I've been saying something's been fishy over there for three years. And the moment they started to take money and give people dates by which they could expect their game and they blew by those dates for almost a year"

Haggis Pinball failure was predictable and he warned about it for years

"This company is done. They're not done this month. They're not done this week. They were done three years ago. They didn't have a business plan that was ever going to work. They were delusional. They were optimistic. And they were dreamers."

Haggis Pinball is done for good and failed due to delusional scaling after initial failure

"I think Damien is a liar. I think Marty is a jackass"

Aggressive attack on Haggis Pinball leadership calling them liars and worst businessmen

"I don't think there's any new money coming to bail Damien out. I heard something this week that Damien is looking for an investor so he can move the whole operation to America that he's realized it's too expensive to do this in Australia. Maybe you should have thought of that before you set up shop there, but you know, his family's there. I don't think he's going to find that investor. I think Haggis pinball is done."

Haggis Pinball is done and Damien should refund Centaur deposits

"I think that company is done. I think refunds should go to everybody at this point. I think the statute of limitations on when refunds should go to people is up and it's ridiculous."

Haggis Pinball should issue refunds and shut down

"Damien and Marty lied to a lot of people, they don't know what they're doing, I think they're out of money... I think Marty and Damien should be ashamed of themselves"

Haggis Pinball lied to people and should be ashamed

"Haggis Pinball is seemingly done. American Pinball shared a look at their factory. Nobody's buying that barbecue game. Come on. David Fix probably ordered everyone himself."

Haggis Pinball is seemingly done, nobody's buying the barbecue game

"I think the guy is out of money and I think time is running out on Haggis Pinball"

Damien is out of money and Haggis Pinball is running out of time

"We all know Haggis is gonna go under and nobody's buying this barbecue game."

Haggis Pinball will go under and nobody is buying the barbecue game

"This company has been misleading people for so long and the Rob Peter to pay Paul business model is not going to work. And I don't mind being the only pinball podcast that is truly calling these guys out. I mean, heck, Marty was on a podcast last week and I heard that he didn't even mention this. Imagine that. This is his company and he goes on an hour show and doesn't even mention that his own pinball company is in the process of recapitalizing itself."

Attacking Haggis Pinball for misleading customers and poor business practices

"It should have ended at counts. It should have. I mean, even America's most haunted is a better game than counts. And so like, they literally, it's like a child that just learned how to ride a bike with training wheels and now all of a sudden Damien wanted to be in the Tour de France."

Haggis Pinball is failing due to poor business model and should have stopped after Counts

"I still think Haggis Pinball is stringing everybody along. They have to be running on fumes. And their entire business model is robbing Peter to pay Paul. And if you go in on a Santar, you have nobody to blame but yourself."

Haggis Pinball is stringing customers along and should not be trusted with deposits

"There was a lot of concern and I still feel like, you know, we're never going to get the full truth here that they needed to get Centaur deposit money to get enough capital to finish the fathom builds. Why else would they ask for money so far in advance? Nobody else does this."

Haggis Pinball is using Centaur deposits to fund completion of Fathom builds - a robbing Peter to pay Paul scenario

"I don't understand why anybody, why is anybody defending Damien and Marty and this company at this point... I'm never buying anything these guys ever make, never, I will never support a company like this"

Attacking Haggis Pinball and their defenders over delays and poor communication

"There is no way this company is doing just fine financially. I think the writing is on the wall. I think they must be running on fumes."

Haggis Pinball is financially struggling and unlikely to survive

"How many videos are we going to get from the factory in which we see no factory workers? We see no games being built. They're using their own machines as props to convince us everything is going well at the factory."

Haggis Pinball lacks transparency in production and is likely struggling

"I would buy from a distro because the distros are saying that they will refund your money if something goes wrong with Haggis Bimble, but if you send your money directly to Haggis, guess what happens if something goes wrong, you get nada"

Buy Haggis Pinball games through distributors, not direct, due to refund protection

"When a company owes its customers who paid for their games? When they owe those people some communications, when they owe those people some transparency, they go radio silent for like a year on Fathom customers, right? But the moment he wants to sell you something, all of a sudden, all of a sudden, he's the most loquacious he's ever been."

Damien from Haggis goes silent after taking money but becomes chatty when selling

"I still don't apologize for ragging on a company that's going to announce a new title before they've even finished making half of their fathoms, why would they do this?"

Haggis Pinball announcing new game before finishing Fathom is problematic

"How's 17,000 for a single-level game that sells for 7,000? [...] What is going on in pinball people? There is something rotten in the state of Denmark"

Haggis Pinball's Centaur pricing is outrageously high, especially the $17,000 Oblivion edition

"they still have not made half of the fathoms [...] Why was the game revealed to us on the 4th of July of 2023 when nobody knows how many fathoms have you made to date?"

Haggis Pinball has poor production capacity and communication, hasn't finished Fathom orders

"after we confirmed that Centaur is gonna be the next title from Haggis Pinball, nobody really cares. Nobody really cares. Nobody is clamoring for a $10,000 Centaur"

Nobody really cares about a $10,000 Centaur remake from Haggis

"do you really think there is anyone out there who's going to give Haggis Pinball a nonrefundable deposit on game number three? And I went on the Pinside marketplace and you can go buy a Fathom mermaid edition right now. So ladies and gentlemen, listen to me, even if you want game number three from Haggis, don't give it a deposit. Don't even bother ordering it. Let someone else take the risk. Don't let it be you."

Nobody should give Haggis Pinball deposits for their third game

"I offer $250 to a charity of Damien's Choice... If he would open up his door and show us live what production looks like... you owe people that."

Challenging Haggis Pinball to show their production facility after delays

"I think Haggis pinball is afraid. I think Multimorphic is afraid. I think American pinball is afraid right now. I don't think anything's happening on the line over at AP or not much. I think CGC might be a little bit afraid. I don't think they want you to see how few people are there."

Multiple boutique manufacturers are afraid to show their factories because they have little or no production activity

"I still think they ran a little bit too far ahead of where they were as a company. If you look at Spooky Pinball and what they did to grow as a company, they walked a little bit more before they ran into a big factory. They walked a little bit more before they took on a lot of overhead and they learned how to make games the hard way."

Haggis Pinball ran ahead of their capabilities as a company compared to Spooky's gradual growth

"I don't like it when a pinball company changes the way it's marketing its game midway through the marketing launch of the machine. I don't like it when a company changes its mind and says, hey, this is going to be exclusive to the limited edition mermaid editions of the game. And then they open up that to everybody else."

Haggis Pinball using sleazy sales tactics by changing marketing promises mid-launch

"When does a truth become a lie? Right? At what point does all betrayal start with trust?"

Haggis Pinball is misleading customers and breaking promises about exclusive content

"Damien reminds me a little bit now of Andrew Heighway got to get new money in to pay for those old orders. And this is what's happening all over again."

Haggis Pinball reminds him of Andrew Heighway - needing new money to pay for old orders

"You have to be crazy to send them money on their next game until they finished all of the Fathom builds. Because I would be nervous, and we've seen this before, that these little boutique companies have a tendency to rob Peter to pay Paul."

Haggis Pinball shouldn't announce new games until finishing Fathom builds

"spooky pinball has been more transparent than Haggis pinball in two years oh oh Kaneda you can't rag on Haggis we got to support everything in pinball I just did Damien do you know how to work a camera do you know how Facebook works Marty do you know how to use social media come on guys just share some photos"

Attacking Haggis Pinball for lack of transparency and social media presence

"A lot of people were told if they paid in fall, they would get their game in eight weeks. The actual time frame for a lot of those people has been eight to 10 months since they've paid in fall."

Haggis Pinball is misleading customers about delivery times while having financial problems

"This isn't Haggis Pinball where you're going to pay in full and then wait like eight months to maybe get your game. Has anyone even noticed that there's no shipment container going from Australia to America?"

Calls out Haggis Pinball for taking money and not delivering, poor shipping practices

"I still think this business practice is disingenuous. And I think it speaks to the character of the people over at that company. Don't lie, just tell people it'll be six months."

Harsh criticism of Haggis Pinball's misleading delivery timelines

"If you read in the Haggis Thread, they are telling people they should get their games in eight weeks. People are just getting their games that paid eight months ago."

Attacking Haggis Pinball for delivery delays and lack of communication

"He is still sending out emails to people still saying pay in fall and you'll have your game in eight weeks. It is such a lie... he knows he can't get you a game in eight weeks. Why is he saying that?... That is a flat out lie"

Calling out Haggis Pinball for lying about 8-week delivery times

"So were they lying to him? Were they misleading the person? And this is why, ladies and gentlemen, the boutique pinball space, it's just not worth it. It's absolutely not worth it."

Haggis Pinball is lying to customers about delivery times and the company is in big trouble

"I still to this day believe that they knew when they said that date, they didn't have the parts yet. They didn't have the parts ordered. They didn't have the staff to make the games. So how is that not somewhat of a lie, right?"

Haggis was likely lying about July 2021 production start date

"There is a whitewood for it. Now this is a smart choice by Marty because even though he's doing an original game, it is not an original IP. It is an IP that is now in the public domain."

War of the Worlds is the game Marty Robbins is working on at Haggis Pinball

"if you're at the end of this queue and you were told a year ago that production would begin in July of 2021, you deserve a refund... Everything he said he was going to do, every time frame he gave, he absolutely blew by it."

Haggis Pinball production delays are unacceptable

"So here's my prediction for Haggis Pinball. I think everyone who orders a fathom is going to get one. I want to start there."

Prediction: Everyone who orders a Fathom will get one.

"This company stupidly underpriced their own product. These games are going to sell for $15,000 on the second hand market... Haggis Pinball is going to lose money on every single fathom they make."

Haggis Pinball underpriced Fathom and will lose money on every machine

"And my prediction is this, I don't think they're going to survive to make four to five more games. I think this experience is probably going to burn them out. I think they're going to make these games based on pride, not profit."

Prediction: They won't survive to make four to five more games and this experience will burn them out.

"I think Damien and Marty just need to stop with this secrecy and the silence and all of the questions and speculation... why are we still guessing where they are in production"

Haggis Pinball lacks transparency about Fathom production

"Just stop with these shenanigans. I understand that you have encountered some unforeseen delays... But they're making the situation much worse than it needs to be."

Extended criticism of Haggis Pinball for payment collection and communication practices

"26 days ago, Damien and Marty put up a video that said fathom production had begun. They staged the video. They put a game in a box 26 days ago. And have you seen a second game go out since then?"

Strong criticism of Haggis Pinball's accountability and transparency

"There is no way Haggis Pinball makes four or five more titles after this. There's no way. They are losing money on every single fathom they make."

Haggis Pinball will not survive to make four or five more titles after Fathom

"So three weeks later in which one game went into a box, ask me how many games have we seen unboxed since then and the answer is zero."

Haggis Pinball's production claims are questionable with only one game shipped in three weeks