Guns N' Roses

"I have a game here that's really frustratingly hard. And people don't talk about the fact that Guns N' Roses to me is a drain monster. Like this game, it just drains all the time. And once the ball gets into the slings, it's like game over unless you're nudging it all the time. And because Guns N' Roses doesn't really have a lot of flow, there's a lot of bricking that goes on in the game."

Guns N' Roses is a drain monster with too much difficulty and not enough flow

"The gameplay and the music are so disconnected that it it's only like the music and the lights are really connected but the gameplay is kind of like. So unfulfilling in the sense of like you really are just wanting this rock and roll gameplay and instead you've got this kind of like trap and go and you know I don't know like then you get like it's just it's you know the gameplay keeps slowing you down while the music wants to speed you up and I think that's the big miss on Guns N' Roses"

Guns N' Roses pinball has major gameplay problems

"Guns N' Roses display, it is the greatest use of a screen and a pinball machine ever"

Guns N' Roses has the greatest use of a screen in a pinball machine ever

"Whoever signed off on the blinking job of Needs to be banned from the industry for life"

"the JJP G and R is better than the data East G and R. Come on, like let's not, we don't have to say silly things like it's not. It's much, much better."

JJP Guns N' Roses is much better than Data East version

"I think years from now, G and R L.E's 4,500. And G and R C.E's will end up around 9,500 10 K."

Guns N' Roses future resale values

"The point of Guns N' Roses is to start a song and enjoy the song. Enjoy the way the game and the song and the concert all sync up together. That's why you play Guns N' Roses. You're not playing it to enjoy the combos or the flow. You're playing it to experience the music in a pinball way that wows you."

Guns N' Roses should be played to experience music, not for combos or wizard modes

"It's super exciting to watch it someone else played, but when you're playing it in your hands. It doesn't feel great"

Guns N' Roses has poor gameplay despite looking exciting

"I triggered some people by saying Guns N' Roses is a much better coded game than Harry Potter is right now because you understand what you're doing."

Guns N' Roses is a better coded game than Harry Potter because you understand what you're doing

"The best selling Jersey Jack game of all time, Guns N' Roses continues to collapse in value because the gameplay sucks... the gameplay is pretty much atrocious"

Guns N' Roses has terrible gameplay that ruins its value

"I think Eric, the soft plunge in G&R is the dumbest decision ever. I hate it every time it happens. It feels like a girl's like ravage me and you're like, yeah, I'm about to play G&R. I can't get it up. I mean, Guns N' Roses suffer from erectile dysfunction when you plunge."

Guns N' Roses soft plunge compared to erectile dysfunction

"The reason Guns N' Roses sucks gameplay wise and I played it more than any pin I've ever played is the outlane drains are terrible. I think it is probably one of the most brutal on both outlanes. Brutal outlane drain games I've ever played"

Guns N' Roses has brutal outlane drains that make it unfun

"The story on G and R it's a great jukebox it's a terrible pinball machine. And that's I think that's accurate and I think you know people come over and you crank it up to volume 11 and you play a few songs it's fun... but man it's not the kind of game where you're going to as a pinball lover you're going to come back and and want to jump on it a lot you're just not."

Guns N' Roses is a great jukebox but terrible pinball machine

"Guns N' Roses has one of the most unbalanced scoring ever... It doesn't even make sense to even care about the songs because once you get to like the album modes, there were so much more points"

Guns N' Roses has extremely imbalanced scoring that makes most game features irrelevant

"The biggest tragedy in gnr is how the outlane draining the constant outlane draining just removes the fun from the game I get stupid it's like they have to blitz you with constant multiballs because they're going to be draining left and right"

Guns N' Roses has mediocre gameplay ruined by constant outlane drains

"I think this game sells on the market right now. If I want to get it gone, like cash on the table. I'm looking at 11 firm. I think 11 firm is kind of where I'm at with this game. I don't think I'd get 12 right now."

Guns N' Roses Collector's Edition current market value assessment

"I still think the game is, there's a great game in here if they simplified it. There's a great game in there. If they made it a little bit easier... there's times when like you could legit just start two songs could be 25 minutes. November rain in a strange like just two songs. That's not getting to those songs. That's not many wizard modes."

Guns N' Roses has fundamental gameplay issues despite being Jersey Jack's best seller

"I can say this with full confidence this is not a good machine to own when you only have one machine. It's a great experiential pin when you've got a lineup of other machines."

GNR is not a good single-machine home game

"I understand now why this game just frustrates people. It is a mixed bag game for sure... The outlane drains in this game are atrocious... there's just no flow. There's absolutely no flow."

Guns N' Roses pinball is a mixed bag with major flow and outlane issues

"I can say this as someone who owns Guns N' Roses is like man it's just not that fun to shoot. It really isn't. The experiential stuff is great but you can almost enjoy what the game does best just by putting the game in jukebox mode and not even playing pinball."

Guns N' Roses is not fun to shoot and works better as a jukebox than a pinball game

"Guns N' Roses is a much better pin than Avatar."

Guns N' Roses is much better than Avatar at a better price

"I'm not going to debate anything other than Guns N' Roses was a phenomenal success for Jersey Jack. It was the greatest launch video of all time. It is the greatest theme in a great music pin of all time. I will fight anybody on that."

Guns N' Roses was Jersey Jack's greatest selling game despite flaws

"It's a better shooter game than Wizard of Oz people. It is. [...] It's been the best selling game I think for Jersey Jack Pinball."

Guns N' Roses is better than Wizard of Oz and best-selling JJP game

"Guns N' Roses LE Guns N' Roses LE is the greatest value right now because you can get them for $6,000 and the reason why you can get them for $6,000 is because they made $6,000 of them. Right there is no shortage and what's crazy about G and R.L.E. is hundreds of them I mean this hundreds not like a handful hundreds of them are sitting NIB around the world at dealers and distros."

Guns N' Roses LE is the greatest pinball value right now at $6000

"Guns N' Roses is the last great, amazing game I think we're ever going to get from Jersey Jack"

Guns N' Roses is the last great game Jersey Jack will ever make

"I don't care what anybody says, they're annoying. I have the game right now on the new code, and without even trying to start a multiball, for some reason you hit one switch and all these balls are coming at you"

Guns N' Roses multiballs are annoying and too frequent

"Guns N' Roses, I'm not even going to defend it. Nobody really likes the way it shoots. Nobody, nobody... you're never going to see anybody like marching at a pinball show, right? And all these dudes are having a good time talking about great shooting pins and no dudes ever going to be like, yeah guys, those are all good, but you know what shoots great? Guns N' Roses. Like if anyone ever says that, they will clear the bar out."

Guns N' Roses shoots terribly - nobody likes the way it plays

"I got a message from someone who said that they just played the new code and right away they started a multiball and then once again without even aiming for anything, another multiball started"

Guns N' Roses Code 3.0 still has too many random multiballs issue

"for those of you out there, as much as I love Guns N' Roses as a band, this game is never going to go back up in value. It doesn't matter if you put the capacitor kit in. It doesn't matter what you do to the code. It doesn't matter. They made too many."

Guns N' Roses will never recover its value due to poor first impressions

"Guns N' Roses Collector's Edition is a sinking ship. I mean that game went from being worth at the height around $20,000 you could get for a GNR when that game was revealed. Nowadays, Collector's Edition machines, they're selling for like $11,5 maybe even less."

"So my Guns N' Roses Collector's Edition, I guarantee you this. If I unboxed that game and put it in my home, I guarantee you when we unboxed this game, it's been in a box for like almost four years. We're going to see terrible pooling around the posts."

Prediction: When unboxed after four years, the GNR playfield will show terrible pooling around posts and damage.

"the game looks amazing the flow is not there it's not good there's not a lot of combos the shots are not great the geometry is not there"

Guns N' Roses has poor flow and geometry despite great art

"Like you're just never going to get people who love shooting pinball to ever consider the G&R layout to be a great layout. Like nothing is ever going to change that."

Guns N' Roses layout will never be considered great by pinball players

"Guns N' Roses was a dazzling pinball machine. We all fell victim to the video. And then when you played the game, it wasn't there. The game plays not there. You're chopping wood with all these multiballs."

Guns N' Roses is beautiful but lacks compelling gameplay

"All things considered, Guns N' Roses had the greatest launch in the history of pinball. I mean this. No pinball machine has ever been launched in such a great way as Guns N' Roses was launched."

Guns N' Roses had the greatest launch in pinball history

"Guns N' Roses is not really a great pinball machine. What Guns N' Roses is, is a great interactive jukebox"

Guns N' Roses pinball is not a great pinball machine - it's a great interactive jukebox with poor gameplay

"Over 700 days without a code update. Why? What is the reason why Jersey Jack Pinball refuses to finalize the code on this game?"

Jersey Jack Pinball has abandoned Guns N' Roses after 700+ days without a code update

"Look what happened when Jersey Jack Pinball finally, finally brought a theme out. Now, that hit the bullseye of the target audience 40 to 60 dead center. Look what happened when they launched Guns N' Roses."

Guns N' Roses proves the importance of hitting target demographic correctly

"GNR as a layout, as a game, I would argue is not the best, but it's also not as bad as people say... I think the thing that really hurts Guns N' Roses gameplay are weak flippers."

Guns N' Roses layout isn't as bad as people say, main issues are weak flippers and being multiball heavy

"Like Guns N' Roses was still the greatest pinball launch of all time. It will go down as the greatest pinball launch of all time. Everything about it was perfect. Everything looked perfect. The game played perfect."

Guns N' Roses was the greatest pinball launch of all time

"I still think Guns N' Roses LE is a superior game than Toy Story LE. I think there's way more interesting shots, I think there's way more interesting mechs in the game, I think there's way more interesting code in the game, I think there's way more interesting theme integration in the game."

Guns N' Roses vs Toy Story comparison - GNR is superior

"When you stand over Guns N' Roses Collector's Edition, I challenge you to put another machine in modern times, even old times, that is more beautiful than G&R CE. It really is."

Guns N' Roses Collector's Edition is more beautiful than any modern pinball machine

"I'm going to tell you right now. Guns N' Roses LE as beautiful as it is, completely oversaturated in the marketplace. I think you're going to see GNR LEs a year from now. $7,000 all day long."

Guns N' Roses LE market is oversaturated and will crash to $7k

"It's the greatest musical themed integrated pin of all time. It's a rock concert in a box, but as a pinball machine to shoot the gameplay of G&R, it does not leave a lot of pinball aficionados satisfied when it comes to gameplay. Especially when you're in multiball and it's just like you're flailing left and right."

Guns N' Roses is amazing thematically but has poor gameplay, especially multiball

"And everybody is so sick of Guns N' Roses. I am so sick of GNR. I haven't even unboxed mine yet."

Sick of Guns N' Roses, haven't even unboxed mine yet

"The light show in GNR is more than just a standard pinball light show. It is the greatest concert in a box pinball experience ever and it's more than just the light show... The entire game is a mech."

Guns N' Roses is a masterpiece because it creates the greatest concert-in-a-box experience, not just a standard light show

"I still think G&R is JJP's best pin. I absolutely do. Without it out. Playfield issues aside. It's one of the best pins they've ever made. It is the best music pin of all time. Without it out. I don't care what anyone says"

Guns N' Roses is JJP's best pin and greatest music pin of all time

"I actually think Guns N' Roses is the most next level pinball machine I've ever played. I just think it's pinball on a whole different experiential level."

Jersey Jack Pinball's Guns N' Roses is the most next level pinball machine ever made from an experiential standpoint

"Guns N' Roses collector's edition which I still think is Jersey jack pinball's greatest machine to date It's their coolest machine to date... It's just the coolest damn thing that Jersey jack pinball has ever made"

Guns & roses Collector's Edition is Jersey Jack's greatest and coolest machine

"If there is one game where it's too much, where you're adding additional brushstrokes to the Mona Lisa, that is Guns N' Roses, which won for best light show Guns N' Roses, which is the greatest Pinball light show of all time. They invented a new lighting system for the game itself. It doesn't need the system."

Guns N' Roses doesn't need Pin Stadium lighting modification