Dune Pinball

"I think if you're on the fence about ordering Dune, I think you should get it. I really do... I think your money is safe on Dune machines holding value or going up."

Dune pinball will hold value or increase due to limited production run

"I would rather have a dune than a star wars. I would rather have a dune than an uncanny X-Men. But what makes me so upset with them, I mean this, they never found a compelling way to introduce the game."

Barrels of Fun had a bad launch with Dune due to poor decisions, not theme quality

"What this reeks of is cash flow issue to invest in this thing to get it made. All you're showing is concept photos. Why do you need money now? When you ask for money eight months in advance on something that's not finished, it's not finalized and it's not ready to show off."

Taking preorders 8 months in advance for concept toppers suggests cash flow problems

"There is the reality of a game that's now been out for nine months, nine months, and it can't even sell like barely 500 units. And you could sell 525 Winchester mystery houses in freaking two days."

Dune pinball has been a commercial failure, selling only 500 units in 9 months despite having premium assets and Hollywood IP

"I think the video assets in this game look better than anything on Stern than even on JJP. It's like a smaller monitor but it's much nicer much crisper than anything."

Dune has superior video quality compared to Stern and JJP games

"I just think it's it's a it was a terrible idea to make dune and I know there's there always mad at me when I say that but it was a terrible idea and you get guess who thinks it's a bad idea the pinball buying community that still is not bought 500 of those games"

Dune was a terrible theme choice that failed to sell 500 games

"the fact that Winchester sold in two days what dune couldn't sell in six months is Just indication that dune was a bad pick"

Dune was a bad theme pick that couldn't sell in 6 months what Winchester sold in 2 days

"Wayne they've sold less dunes and Winchester. I don't understand like that is that is that is an abysmal failure. In two days Winchester mystery house outsold dune in six months."

Dune sales are an abysmal failure compared to Winchester

"It's just a beautiful rendition of a theme that people just don't want."

Dune is a beautiful game but represents a theme people don't want

"It's only soft. David, because you may do... You're only feeling soft sales on this game because it's do. Spooky's going to sell 900 and 99 Beetlejuices in one day in one hour... Jersey Jack has sold more $15,000 Harry Potter's in one month than all the doon sales combined."

Dune's poor sales are due to weak theme, not soft market

"So I heard from distributors. Two games not selling very well right now are doomed. And predator's gonna be tough. Who's buying these games?"

Dune pinball and Predator are not selling well and manufacturers will struggle

"Are they doing that with Dune? I think it's getting there, but there's work to be done. Dune's theme, I still think is going to be the big issue."

Dune code is improving but theme remains an issue

"Like if you love these Dune movies, this is the greatest pin for you, but I'm a chicken parm guy. I'm a back to the future guy. I'm a Star Wars guy... You make those games with this good of a theme integration and I'm buying one on day one."

Dune has excellent theme integration but personal theme preference matters most

"You picked a theme that is based on a new, doomed franchise that doesn't have any nostalgia for the pinball buying demographic. You picked a theme that people don't really want."

Dune theme was a huge risk that people don't want

"Dune deserves more attention. Maybe the best layout of the year."

Dune has maybe the best layout of the year despite theme issues

"I would say Dune is probably sold between two to 300 out of a thousand... Nobody in this demographic has a nostalgic love affair with this theme."

Dune Pinball has sold poorly due to lack of theme appeal

"Nobody in this demographic has a nostalgic love affair with this theme."

Dune pinball theme lacks nostalgic connection with pinball demographic

"Dune has all the characters in it. Dune has a much more impressive mech. Dune is a nicer overall. But I think people like the predator theme more... It's like a theme people would rather have as predator. But again, that's executed better is Dune"

Dune is better executed than Predator despite Predator having a more popular theme

"And that's why as a theme and I've been saying this you've been saying it selecting Dune was never a good idea. There's going to be a lot more conversation happening around Predator than Dune because a lot more people in this hobby care about the Predator IP."

Dune theme was a poor choice and game lacks community engagement

"This game was not ready to be released. There's nothing there's no other way it wasn't ready to be released the gameplay is okay it's not it's not like it doesn't have gameplay that's going to win you over like an L win I'm getting completely candid here it's just not."

Dune feels unfinished and wasn't ready for release

"There is no callouts. Nothing's guiding you through the game. When there were movie clips up, it said on the clips themselves, waiting for license or approval. And there's just not much game... this game is not ready. And I just don't think it's ready to be shipping to customers like this."

Dune is not ready for release and shipping incomplete

"I think Dune will max out around 800 sold. That's my, if that, because I think what's going to happen to Dune, it's just, it's more expensive than Labyrinth was."

Dune pinball will struggle to sell due to poor theme appeal and high price

"I still have a lot of question marks about why Dune launched when it did... I don't think you should take money on your game or show your game to the world until it's ready to be shown. They did. The game is not ready to be shown."

Barrels of Fun launched Dune at the wrong time without proper preparation

"I mean, how can you release a game when your movie clips have to have a watermark on them, that it's not ready for licensure approval? So when is that gonna be? It just feels like this game's not ready. It's not ready to show us yet."

Barrels of Fun revealed Dune too early without proper licensing approval and incomplete code

"I really like the sandworm mechanism. I think it's super awesome. It's one of the coolest toys I've seen in Pinball in a long time."

Dune's sandworm mechanism is one of the coolest toys in pinball in a long time

"Man, that mech is awesome. The mech is freaking awesome. That is one of the coolest mechs I've seen in pinball in a long time... But I'm just worried again that it's not a theme that most of you want."

Dune mech is awesome but theme isn't appealing to most buyers

"You don't understand your pinball buying demographic. Nobody David can even recall a single line from those movies... You would have sold more Christmas vacations than you'll sell a dune"

Dune is a terrible theme for the pinball buying demographic

"This art is terrible... It's just another brown game... This is a 12,000 hour cabinet. Why would they release this with the European cabinet?"

Dune pinball art and presentation quality assessment

"Who's going to buy this game at 12 5... I'll buy it for 8 5 in 6 months"

Pricing assessment of Dune at $11,600-$12,500

"I think Dune is going to surprise a lot of people I do... I think you heard one of the most fair very positive assessments of Dune pinball"

Dune is underrated and theme integration was done well

"I don't understand why David Van Es and the team over there that has been in communication with various members of the pinball media, how they ended up with such a fumbled launch... It's bad marketing. It's a bad way to communicate the game."

Barrels of Fun had a fumbled launch and bad marketing for Dune game

"I don't think the modern pinball buying demographic clicked with these movies. There's not like an emotional connection to these modern dune films. It's not the kind of movie you're going to go back and watch time and time again."

Dune theme lacks emotional connection for modern pinball buyers

"I would not land on Dune because Dune is slow. Dune isn't exciting. Dune doesn't have energy. And like, I would rather do tremors than Dune."

Dune would be a poor theme choice for pinball compared to other options

"if Barrel's a Fun is making the new Dune movies, it's gonna be a hard sell"

Barrels of Fun making new Dune movies will be a hard sell

"I don't think the new Dune movies cross over significantly with the pinball buying demographic. I don't think you are like a big fan of Timothy Chamolay or whatever... I don't think you really care about Zendaya"

New Dune movies don't appeal to pinball demographic

"I heard from a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy that the game they're making is doon [...] I just don't think this demo wants doon"

Barrels of Fun is making Dune and it's going to be a dog

"i think if you're on the fence about ordering dune i think you should get it i really do... i think your money is safe on dune machines holding value or going up post december 31st"

Dune will hold or increase in value due to limited production