Deeproot Pinball

"I don't know these are just my predictions But if he does something Lucy Goosey trust me trust me it's not gonna work out It's just not gonna work out."

Prediction: If they do something loose with the reveal, it won't work out well.

"why do you have to Show the world your innovation while at the same time Bringing up and making fun of everyone just just beat them with the product. You don't need to do this"

Kaneda criticizes deeproot's public relations approach of collecting quotes to shame other manufacturers about playfield quality

"I think robber and I think deeproot is going to announce that they are making just 250 razas and that's it...I think it's going to be between 10 and 12,000 dollars"

deeproot should make only 250 Razas at $10-12k to compete

"do you think deeproot will make it out in 2020? No... I really don't give a fuck like the whole story behind That company with with Jay Popping involved with just the bravado the arrogance"

deeproot Pinball will not deliver and isn't worth caring about

"This is the moment for deeproot... they should just reveal Raza and get the orders locked... get people locked in with non-refundable deposits"

deeproot should reveal Raza immediately and get orders locked in during COVID

"I just don't understand why it's always like zero to a hundred with this company. So if you think about the entire pinball landscape every single pinball company in the world other than Stern can never release more than one game a year."

Robert Mueller's promises of 8-9 titles per year are unrealistic

"It looks like pinside and Robin and the moderators are taking the side of the manufacturer and they're they're listening to cease and to cease threats and they're yanking stuff down"

Pinside moderators protecting manufacturers by deleting critical posts about deeproot Pinball

"there's no escaping the fact that deeproot has to be in huge trouble here... They've unsuccessfully brought a game to market. They've unsuccessfully shown that they can manufacture and ship a single pinball machine"

deeproot Pinball is in huge trouble - has burned cash for years without shipping a single game

"Do I think it was smart for deeproot to say you know what now is not the right time? Absolutely. Absolutely. The right move by Robert Mueller and company to say we're not going to do our reveal plan now because of all this and it makes sense."

deeproot Pinball made the smart decision to delay their reveal due to coronavirus

"It's that you started a company to solve problems that weren't really problems and what I mean by that is Is stern pinball might sell 15,000 games a year? What's the problem people are buying their games?"

deeproot may have started solving problems that weren't really problems

"how badly does deeproot probably wish that they had got riccan morty over raza look at their different reaction just from theme alone riccan morty versus raza"

deeproot probably wishes they had Rick and Morty instead of RAZA based on theme excitement difference

"I don't know why people are so obsessed about the Financial funding of this company like people are like going crazy trying to like uncover everything just let this company make a game"

People obsessing over deeproot financials should focus on whether they make good games

"I don't think it's a smart move to show games really early and make consumers part of the development process of the game It doesn't work it doesn't work anymore with marketing it just you have to drop it on people in the most spectacular way possible"

deeproot needs to show games only when fully ready, not during development

"deeproot made a real flipping game that is out there in the world for people to play have fun with enjoy give feedback be critical of but it's real okay. This move will silence the vaporware critics that are out there that had absolutely no faith in this company that they could make a pinball game they've made a pinball game okay."

deeproot succeeded in making a real working pinball game, silencing vaporware critics

"having no official gameplay video when you show a game regardless of its state even though it's a prototype I believe is a missed opportunity over the shoulder cell phone videos in a room with crappy horrible lighting with people playing the game who have no clue what they are doing is not the world premiere video content you want"

Missing official gameplay video was a major missed opportunity

"I think deepwood is falling into a trap... Robert is smart he knows this industry he knows how to launch a game the right way he's studied it he can see all the good examples of how you do it you don't show an unfinished game okay so to me that is like mistake number one"

deeproot Pinball is making classic new manufacturer mistakes

"nobody really plays pinball to see never before seen animations... pinball is physical. It's below the glass."

deeproot focuses too much on animations instead of physical pinball gameplay

"Will not be a full reveal of deeproots games. We will not see a full reveal of Raza. There will not be like four to five Raza's setup there for you to play... Now zero is the number of games they will ship in 2019. So how do you go from shipping the most amount of games ever? Well if we were to just take Stern. That's 10,000 games a year Stern ships. So Robert's going to go from that to zero"

deeproot Pinball will not deliver full reveal at Houston Arcade Expo, zero games shipped in 2019 despite promising to ship most games in pinball history

"So deeproot is really to me the the thing that I'm looking forward to the most at the rest of this year because come November deeproot pinball is going to pull back the curtain and finally show us what they've been working on all this time"

deeproot has biggest expectations to meet and will be the most anticipated reveal

"I think with all of these new games coming out and all the money going into like Wonka and into Jurassic Park... I think deeproots going to have a really hard time breaking into the pinball market."

deeproot Pinball will have a hard time breaking into the market with all the competition

"they did everything a little backwards in terms of you talk first you show artwork you tell people what you're gonna do before you actually do it what was the point of all that"

deeproot's approach is backwards - talking before delivering

"I'd rather a guy come in and have this sort of bullish attitude. And here's why because he has to back it up. Now he has to back it up."

Supports deeproot's bullish approach despite no proof yet

"what's frustrating for me is that all of the things not all of them but probably 90% of the things Robert said about you know innovations and things they're trying to do... we've done all that stuff"

Frustration with deeproot getting praise while showing nothing vs P3's actual innovations being ignored

"I really think deeproot is silly. If they think anything John Popadiuk, any John Popadiuk IP will never sell nearly as well... It is way more beneficial to go get as many of those hot properties from the 80s and 90s and make pinball machines. And you will sell five times as many of those as you will of retro atomic zombie adventure land."

deeproot should abandon John Popadiuk IPs and focus on 80s/90s movie licenses instead

"Do you think they're going to hit that date? I don't know. I think they released it too early... deeproot June 30th. I'm still hearing that owners of Zidware claims are being told that by June 30th, they will be able to buy one of three games that are available to them."

Kaneda skeptical that deeproot Pinball will hit June 30th delivery date

"They said they were going to make more games in 2019 than anyone in the history of pinball. Okay, January, February, March, April, May, or May, the fifth month, I said six, where the fifth month we're beginning of the year. So the year is almost half over and they haven't shipped one game."

Calling out deeproot Pinball for missing all their promised deadlines

"I'm hearing that it is inevitable that we will not see a deeproot game on June 30th. That date that we all think is going to be the moment in which they have to fulfill the deal with Zidware customers. It's going to come and go, and there will not be a raza shown to the world within 60 days"

deeproot will miss their June 30th deadline and won't show a game

"most new pinball companies that have tried to do what deeproot is doing, most of them have failed. And yet we think this time it's going to be different. And they're not just trying to make pinball, they're trying to make video games, they're trying to make videos, other things, other forms of entertainment"

Most new pinball companies fail and deeproot is biting off more than they can chew

"deeproot is more than just a pinball company. What Robert is building here is a content company. And by that, I mean they want to make video games. They want to make pinball machines. They want to make other stuff."

deeproot Pinball is building an entertainment company beyond just pinball

"Do we think that deeproot pinball is going to be the Dyson vacuum cleaner of the pinball industry? He took an industry that had not changed at all in 100 years, and he blew it up by simply reimagining how a vacuum cleaner could work."

deeproot Pinball will be like Dyson vacuum cleaners - revolutionizing a stagnant industry through complete reimagination while retaining core appeal

"The screen in a deeproot pinball machine will be underneath the glass. So what you are going to see in deeproot games will look a lot probably like magic girl, where you will not have to look up to absorb what's on the screen."

deeproot will use screens under the glass instead of in backbox

"Here's the thing. I just don't like when you brag about something that you aren't showing anybody. It is like me telling people, I have 12 girlfriends, but you can't see any of them, but trust me."

deeproot is all talk with no substance - bragging about 12 whitewood games without showing anything

"in the case of deeproot, this is a company that hasn't shown anything to anybody. People have zero trust or faith or anything established with this company at this point and I think it's critical for them to have a presence at a show"

deeproot needed to attend TPF to establish trust with consumers

"I actually heard from through the grapevine that that's not happening because there are some personal celebrations happening within that deeproot world that are going to forbid them from being a T.P.F. So you heard it here first. I'm going to be wrong. They're not going to be there, but it's not because they don't have stuff ready."

Prediction: deeproot will not be at TPF due to personal celebrations within the company, not because they don't have products ready.

"I think he's gonna wheel in something pull off the curtain and all of a sudden like all the attention stern thought they were gonna get all the attention Jersey Jack thought they were gonna get I think he's gonna look to do a little bit of like a coup"

deeproot will likely surprise everyone at TPF with a major reveal

"I think the TPS skip is, is a farce. I think they're going to be there. I, I think it, it is a, I can't imagine in their backyard, knowing everything they know that they're not going to rock up to the biggest show of 2019 with nothing."

deeproot will surprise show up at Texas Pinball Festival despite saying they won't attend

"You know, that's my prediction is that we will see deeproot at TPS with something that is going to blow people away. And the reason I say that and I can't have seen anything."

Prediction: deeproot will appear at TPS with something that will blow people away.

"They made that hire. They made to, for me, a very serious mistake. And the pinball machines better be fantastic. Otherwise, people are just going to boycott them like crazy"

deeproot hiring John Popadiuk was a serious mistake

"I predict. This is what, this is my early prediction for deeproot. I think they're going to bring stuff to T.P.F. I think Robert Mueller is trying to pull a fast one on everybody."

Prediction: deeproot will bring new products to TPF and Robert Mueller is trying to pull a fast one on everyone.

"I just wouldn't become a company trying to compete with Stern on volume and price. I think that is a surefire way to disaster."

deeproot Pinball won't succeed trying to compete with Stern on volume and price

"Do I think that he's spending $750,000 a month on deeprooted pinball? Absolutely not. I think that number is made up... It's bullshit. There's no way they're spending that much this early on"

deeproot Pinball's claim of spending $750,000 per month is fabricated to create impression of major investment

"I think deeproot is in a position to be one of those top three"

deeproot Pinball will be a major player in the industry

"I find it hard to believe that deeproot, who's never manufactured a pinball machine before, can start off by making a game cheaper than a Stern pro"

deeproot Pinball cannot start manufacturing cheaper than Stern due to lack of volume advantages

"when you stop and actually analyze that that you're going to release four games at once in the pinball industry doesn't that seem stupid doesn't it just seem like you're cannibalizing your own market"

deeproot's four game launch strategy is marketing suicide

"There is only one pinball company that really has me curious and fully excited about what they're going to do and that's deeproot"

deeproot Pinball is the only company that has him truly excited

"The thing that makes me believe that something will come of this venture is that they are not asking for people's pre-order money to get stuff going. Robert is a very successful business person. He has also assembled people who seemingly know what they are doing in Pinball."

deeproot Pinball will succeed because they're not taking pre-orders and have assembled experienced people

"Just by doing things just simply and using my noggin, I could out, you know, market out business, out manufacture, out design, anyone else that's been in the industry ever."

Robert Mueller/deeproot can out-manufacture, out-design, and out-business existing pinball companies

"I don't think we can write these guys off anymore I don't think you can um just call them Bullshitters. I don't think they're bluffing per se"

deeproot Pinball can't be written off anymore despite initial skepticism about John Popadiuk

"You could sell a $50,000 Alice in Wonderland Pinball machine But you could only sell that If you only made at that price if you only made like 10 and you said There's only going to be 10 of these ever"

You can only sell a $50,000 pinball machine if you make extremely limited quantities (like 10 units)

"Here comes a point where how can you not judge a company and judge a man by his actions and his principles and his morals. And if you want to build a pinball company on top of John Popadiuk. I really don't understand how you cheerlead that."

Critical stance on deeproot Pinball partnering with John Popadiuk