Batman 66

"it'll also go down is probably the most overpriced game ever by Stern because remember Ted like the LE Batman was $10,000 like more than more than a dialed in LE and if you compare dialed in the Batman right it's like it's not it's apples to oranges in terms of where the value is"

Batman 66 will go down as Stern's most overpriced game ever

"it's taken forever so we saw Batman at expo for the first time and no one could play there because there wasn't enough code so that's October November December January February March April May okay so it's pretty much May right so it's almost like eight months people have waited for Batman code"

Batman code development is taking too long

"Batman LE is $5,000 more than an Aerospace Pro. And when you look at it like that, it really makes you shrug your shoulders and just be like such a cash grab."

Batman 66 is overpriced and will go down as a miss by Stern, not salvageable by code updates

"The most underwhelming pinball machine of the year, the machine that I think is just a flop. It is Batman 66. As much as I wanted it to be this exciting pin that had the perfect theme to sort of base itself off of, we hear it time and time again. If you put Batman 66 next to AAerosmith, it is not even close which machine is more fun"

Batman 66 is the most underwhelming and disappointing machine

"After playing Batman versus Erasmus, I still think I think if people had played Batman 66 in its current form, I don't think there would have been such a rush to get a super-eleversion of it or get an eleversion of it. I don't think the game play is there and I don't think it may never be there to warrant what that game costs."

Batman 66 was a cash grab and doesn't justify its price point

"I think batman looks really fun. I also think batman looks really barren. I think the playfield on batman looks so much more barren than ghost buses."

Batman 66 looks barren and overpriced at $15,000 for SLE

"I think everyone who bought one is really happy. I think a lot of people on the sidelines who didn't get one have been more critical of the offering."

Batman Super LE was successful despite criticism from non-buyers

"Batman 66 is gonna age very well and and I think it already looks a little bit like A game built in two errors which it was... I just don't think you come up with that design at all"

Batman 66 looks like a game built in two eras and won't age well

"I think Batman Super-LE will hurt this hobby and set this hobby back more than anything. Because in one stroke, in one move, Stern proved one point. They prove that pinball collectors are fools, are kind of silly that pinball collectors don't really need to get their money's worth"

Batman Super LE will hurt the hobby by proving pinball collectors are fools and suckers

"I'm looking at the game and I'm looking what's there. I'm looking at the features and I'm seeing a pro. Like we'll say we'll take the premium. I'm seeing a pro with the mechanical cool gizmos and the toys and everything else. I see a pro there."

Batman 66 Super LE looks like a pro with toys, not worth $15K

"I would have taken a back cave that you had open up by bashing it... how can you not have a lower playfield on Batman... for fifteen thousand dollars where you can get the bat mobile is absolutely ridiculous"

Batman 66 lacks impressive playfield mechanics despite great theme and LCD

"I personally didn't really like it myself because I think that whole way there was handled kind of put a little sour taste in my mouth."

Batman 66 was handled poorly and left a sour taste

"I still do not, and I cannot say that I think that machine looks like it's $15,000. But, you know, as we've said before, people are happy. I'm happy for you. It's a lot of coin. I think when you look at that machine in a vacuum, like if you just look at it, and you could tell someone, hey, this is $15,000. In a world where alligator pocketbooks cost $15,000. In a world where carbon fiber ceramic breaks cost $15,000. There's so many things that if you compare to contrast, you could see why that might be worth $15,000. But, when you put Batman super-eally next to other pinball machines, it just doesn't seem like it's worth that much money."

Batman 66 doesn't look like it's worth $15,000

"how can you justify a $5,195 dollar? AAerosmith Pro next to a $15,000 Batman Super LE. I really think the Batman Super LE guys right now are feeling a little bit underwhelmed."

Batman Super LE buyers at $15,000 are feeling taken after seeing AAerosmith's superior value

"here's my prediction is, I think it's headed south. And I think for one reason, one reason only, it's the same exact game as the $8,000 premium."

Batman Super LE will decrease in value because it's the same game as the $8,000 premium

"Well, here's my prediction is, I think it's headed south. And I think for one reason, one reason only, it's the same exact game as the $8,000 premium. And after a while, right, everyone, there's going to be like a thousand, if not more premiums that ship and they're"

Prediction: Batman pinball sales are headed south because it's the same game as the cheaper premium version.

"Batman 66 looks good with the garbage toys hot glue to the playfield. Sad when modders are making better shit than stern is on a $15,000 game laughable stern doesn't give a shit either"

Batman 66 looks good but isn't worth $15,000 - toys are inferior to modder work

"There is no way this machine looks like a $15,000 machine. It's almost laughable that they're charging $15,000 for this machine... you have Matchbox cars in it you have toys in this machine That are differentiating it from the LE that cost $5 $10 maybe Nothing is originally sculpted Nothing is made specifically for that machine"

Batman 66 Super LE is embarrassingly overpriced at $15,000 with cheap store-bought toys

"I think this whole move, this new pricing structure by Stern The whole thing was designed to eliminate flipping"

Stern's Batman Super LE pricing strategy eliminates flipping but creates customer confusion

"and my prediction is that I think it's going to I really do think this thing is going to like be like a wow machine with super super colorful artwork with amazing toys amazing mechanisms and look this is the first Stern with a LCD right it yeah I think when"

Prediction: Batman 66 will be an impressive wow machine with colorful artwork, amazing toys and mechanisms, being the first Stern with LCD.

"the application process for Batman 66 is one of the most idiotic and polarizing and disruptive things that has ever come out of stern pinball... They're trolling the community they're doing something smart"

Stern's Batman 66 application process is idiotic but smart marketing

"Mark my words in 18 months Batman super early is we'll be selling for $10,000 people who bought them will lose $5,000 I do not think they're gonna be worth 20 25 30"

Prediction: In 18 months, Batman Super LE will be selling for $10,000 and people who bought them will lose $5,000.

"But the thing is this, is Batman's 66 is manufactured rarity. It's not a game that is desirable because people were longing for it for years, like Big Bang Bar was."

Batman 66 is manufactured rarity unlike Big Bang Bar which was genuinely rare and desired

"I think first and foremost, I think what people are noticing is that Stern is basically building in the profit people would make when they flip their games, and they've seen it happen for years."

Batman 66 pricing is Stern building in the profit people make when flipping games

"Stern can't, they can't try and hype pinball machines and like create these like super limited games and create like extraordinary hype one after another after another after it feels like a Star Wars movie is coming out like every three months."

Stern's timing with Batman 66 announcement is a huge marketing mistake - they're overlapping hype cycles

"If I got offered to buy a Batman super LE tomorrow I would buy it in a heartbeat"

Despite all criticism, would still buy a Batman Super LE if offered

"But the experience of the phone right the liquid in the bottle is the same as people are spending only like $5,000. So if Stern dresses this thing up with all these like you know exclusive topper and exclusive artwork does that justify it being $10,000 more than the LE"

Stern won't be able to deliver $15,000 worth of quality - it's just bling on the same basic game

"at the price point though where an LE is $10,000 I don't think there's any room anymore to flip these things there's no room... it's like they've built in the flipping profit into the machine."

Flipping Batman LEs won't be profitable anymore - Stern has built the flipping profit into the price

"I think this is more about getting marketing analysis data and saying that they gave people the opportunity to buy one of these machines if they want to. And yeah, it also lets them see who they're, you know, they're super fans. Who are the super collectors that are out there?"

Batman 66 application is mainly about getting marketing data from customers

"honestly, the first thing that popped in my mind was that they were looking at a market that they haven't really tapped into yet. I thought it was actually a pretty interesting marketing move."

Stern's Batman 66 application is smart marketing to tap into super collectors

"The amount of back and forth that people are having over this crane toy, I think is absolutely ridiculous... Batman The Dark Knight wasn't a great game... No one ever said that this crane toy was one of the best toys or mechs that Stern ever created"

Batman Dark Knight crane toy is getting overblown hype

"There's going to be 240 LE's for Batman 66. They are sold out. If you contact your distributor I guarantee you will have a hard time finding one."

Prediction: You will have a hard time finding Batman 66 LE machines if you contact distributors because they are sold out.

"every single person who gets invited to buy one is gonna buy one you be an idiot not to buy one and and if you buy one I guarantee you'll be able to flip it for more than you paid"

Prediction: If you buy a Batman LE or Super LE, you'll be able to flip it for more than you paid.

"I think this is purely a greedy move on Stern's part. I think this is absolutely ridiculous that they're doing this on one level, whatever. If they sell everyone cool, but the whole reason these things were special is they were making a very, very limited number, only 30 to celebrate Stern's 30th anniversary."

Stern's decision to increase Batman Super LE production from 30 to 80 units is purely greedy and undermines the exclusivity that made them special

"we're going to see it all over again I predict that Batman is going to sell out in a day or two just like Ghostbusters did and I think this is the future of pinball Stern's going to make very sort of select limited number pins three word their die hard fans"

Prediction: Batman pinball will sell out in a day or two just like Ghostbusters did, and this represents the future of pinball where Stern makes limited quantity pins for die hard fans.

"Everyone bitched about Batman, everybody. Everyone thought Batman sucked. Wasn't just me, Jimmy, wasn't just me."

Batman 66 was universally disliked, not just by Kaneda

"I just don't think it's worth $15,000 anymore... I think if people go in on this machine, I think it's a little foolish. I wouldn't spend $15,000 on one."

Batman Super LE is not worth $15,000 given how Stern has handled the marketing and production numbers

"I just wonder if this game won't have serious consequences for everybody including stern itself. I predict a huge failure. Batman 66. It's old."

Prediction: Batman 66 will be a huge failure despite being an awesome game, due to the odd theme choice and high price point affecting other models.

"You really ran in and bought something that's the same quality as something that was $5,000 for $15,000. I hate to use a car analogy, but you can't go buy a Honda Accord and expect to get the quality of a Bentley or a Mercedes or a Rolls Royce. But you spent Rolls Royce money and you got Honda quality."

Batman 66 buyers got Honda quality for Rolls Royce money

"I predict a huge failure. Batman 66. It's old. They can make it awesome and they will but it's in odd theme choice for sure."

Batman 66 will be a huge failure due to theme and pricing

"will this steel hype away from Ghostbusters I think it will I do I think it will"

Batman 66 will steal hype from Ghostbusters despite its popularity

"They are taking a page from Ferrari's handbook... I think this is a genius marketing idea by Stern to invite Stern's finest customers to be the ones to get these super LE machines... I think that's awesome. I do."

Stern's super LE limited to 30 machines by invitation only is a genius marketing move modeled after Ferrari's approach