Avatar Pinball

"I don't think Avatar is a great machine and neither does the market. And we see the prices sinking and sinking every single month. It's not a terrible game. It's a beautiful looking game, but it's soulless."

Avatar pinball is a beautiful but soulless game

"Gang, it's not. It's a soulless journey. It's a theme we didn't want. The movies aren't coming through in the game."

Avatar pinball is a soulless journey that people don't want in their collections

"It's not underrated. It's an underwhelming game. The only reason you're likely to have more fun with it is your expectations are so low."

Avatar is underwhelming, not underrated

"I'm still asking people who ordered Avatar, name me a moment in the game that's a wow moment. And they still really can't... That's all this game's got."

Avatar has no wow moments and feels like a miss

"I think Avatar is going to be worth the CE is going to be worth $8,000 by the end of this year. I mean, I think you're going to have a $7,000 loss on the game"

Avatar will lose $7,000 in value and sink to Guns N' Roses level by end of year

"I've heard a lot of people say, this is just like Avatar. It's a theme nobody really wants, and it's going to go down just like Avatar and I 100% disagree. And here's why. This game looks like it's got 10 times more fun stuff to shoot at than Avatar does."

Dune game will succeed unlike Avatar because it has 10 times more stuff to shoot at

"And again, it's just a sterile game. I didn't care the call-outs, the Iwajii, Wawama, whatever they're saying. You don't care about any of it. None of it. None of us have an emotional connection to any of the subject matter in Avatar."

Avatar is a sterile game with no emotional connection

"So I would much rather own a portal than an Avatar. And I mean that. I mean, I'd much rather celebrate and support the companies that are actually trying to put some engineering creativity into their products."

Would rather own Portal than Avatar due to engineering creativity

"Do you see all of the tattoos on their bodies are lit. You this doesn't it the game never delivers this level of of any of it. It's crazy. That I mean, that was such a bait and switch. Such a bait and switch."

Jersey Jack's Avatar launch video was misleading about the UV lighting effects

"You should be embarrassed that you are watching your customers have to do this to create the effect in your game that you sold us on in your hundred thousand dollar video."

Avatar CE UV lighting fix embarrassing for Jersey Jack

"you want me to spend 12 to 15,000 dollars and there's not a single toy in the game that interacts with the ball for 15,000 dollars and there's no sculpts in the game."

Avatar costs $15k but has no toys or sculpts that interact with the ball

"I am shocked that there's no 3D mode at all in the Pinball machine. I mean, jaws beat them to the punch. Jaws comes with the glasses. And then you get avatar no 3D."

Avatar lacks 3D elements despite the source material being specifically about 3D

"if Avatar was a good seller, how come the owner's club is so small? The answer is staring us in the face. The game didn't sell that well"

Avatar was a sales flop with small owner community indicating poor sales

"Go into the Avatar thread and watch how no one talks about magical moments or modes that are awesome. None of that."

Avatar owners discuss beauty but not gameplay depth

"once Potter comes out, you're basically gonna be holding on to the biggest sinking asset in a long time in Pinball. I mean it."

Avatar will be biggest sinking asset when Potter releases

"Don't you think it was so disingenuous to bring in extra UV lighting to hook everybody on what this game was going to look like if you put it in your game room? Remember, they never told you that they brought in a lot of additional UV lighting when they took your order, your nonrefundable order. And now it's crystal clear, everybody. The UV ink in this game doesn't work well at all."

Avatar CE marketing was disingenuous about UV lighting

"Avatar is empty. It is one of the most empty games I've ever seen. It has absolutely nothing mechanically in it. That is that interesting. It's like diverters are the toys in that game."

Avatar is empty and mechanically uninteresting

"A lot of the assets that they used to sell this game and to hook people to order a $15,000 machine was done under a controlled environment in which they added additional UV lighting"

Avatar CE playfield UV feature was oversold with controlled lighting, Jersey Jack hasn't shown final product to customers

"I guarantee you in just six months, you'll be able to actually get the game for less money. If you eat that deposit, lose $2,500 and then go get the game for $10,000."

Prediction: Avatar CE will be available for less money in six months, making it cheaper to lose the deposit and buy later.

"Avatar sucks. It is one of the worst theme integrated pins I've ever played... It is absolutely the worst $15,000 pinball machine, maybe of all time."

Avatar is one of the worst $15,000 pinball machines of all time

"I think if anyone buys a CE for 15,000, you're going to lose $5,000 in six months when Harry Potter comes out. I literally can almost guarantee that if you buy a $15,000 Avatar, it's going to be worth 10 Gs in six months when Harry Potter drops."

Avatar is overpriced and will lose $5,000 in value when Harry Potter releases

"I look it's it's a beautiful game with no personality. That is the reality of avatar. [...] when Harry Potter comes out those avatar C. They're going to be worth less than ten thousand dollars. You know avatar C. E. is just just going to drop like a lead balloon in value."

Avatar is a beautiful game with no personality that will lose significant value

"And the worst game you could buy New Inbox in 2024, drumroll please, is a $15,000 Avatar CE. If you buy this game, New Inbox for 15,000 people, we're looking at Godfather's right now, which had more hype and enthusiasm for it than even Avatar does. They're now worth less than like 9,800 New Inbox."

Avatar CE at $15K is worst possible new purchase in 2024 - will depreciate heavily

"The worst theme of pinball in 2024, hands down easily without a doubt, is Jersey Jack's avatar. What were they thinking? Zero market research."

Jersey Jack Pinball's Avatar has the worst theme of 2024 - zero market research, not memorable

"How do you make an Avatar pinball machine that costs $12,000 to $15,000? And there's not a single toy in the game. There's not a single toy in the game."

Avatar has worst toys/mechanisms - $12-15K game with no toys that interact with the ball

"I bag on Avatar and I will continue to bag on Avatar because I just think it's such a waste of a sort of everything. It's a waste of all the resources. It was a waste of JJP's time and money to do it."

Avatar is a waste of resources and one of JJP's worst games

"I still don't understand where the wow modes are in this game. Is there a mode in this game that actually does something that's memorable, that makes you feel like giddy?"

Avatar lacks memorable modes and theme integration despite high praise

"I think the game is a total miss. The UV light doesn't really work. It absolutely does not work on location. Everyone who ordered a $15,000 CE, you've all lost $5,000."

Avatar pinball is a complete miss - soulless game with broken UV lighting

"Avatar is empty people. It's empty. It's absolutely empty. There's no toys. Nothing really interacts with the ball that's very creative and it's 12 to $15,000 and it doesn't seem like the game justifies that price."

Jersey Jack's Avatar is overpriced and empty with no compelling features

"By March of 2025, your Avatar CE will be the easiest game to get for $10,000 new inbox if they make all thousand of those games. Your game has lost. Your game has lost $5,000 in value."

Avatar CE will lose $5000 in value and be available for $10k by March 2025

"Really, remember the Avatar one that cost $100,000 to make? So all of that polish did not equal a game that had heart and soul. This video did not cost $100,000, but I can guarantee you the game will have a lot more passion and soul."

Avatar had polished video that cost $100,000 but no heart and soul compared to Evil Dead

"You take one of the biggest movie properties of all time, and you make a game based on it. And it's crickets. You know why it's crickets? Because the game is soulless. The game's soulless. It doesn't have personality."

Avatar is soulless and has no personality or memorable callouts

"spooky pinball is going to come out with a game that has way more mex in it and toys in it than a $15,000 jersey jack avatar."

Jersey Jack Avatar is overpriced for what you get

"The Avatar Owners Club is only five pages long. There is less enthusiasm for this game than Elton John, then the Godfather, then Toy Story 4. This game is shaping up to be one of the softest launches in the history of Jersey Jack."

Jersey Jack Pinball's Avatar is a commercial failure with only 5 pages in owners thread

"I don't think this game is ever going to turn around now. And you're going to be able to get a CE in six months if you want one for $10,000... you're going to lose $5,000 on a CE."

Avatar won't recover and will lose value significantly

"look at Jersey Jack. They sold everybody on a collector's edition with a major feature of UV lighting and three UV inks that are gonna glow like the bioluminescent world of Pandora. And they can't even get it to work."

Jersey Jack Pinball oversold Avatar's UV lighting feature that doesn't work properly

"It almost feels like Jersey Jack doesn't really know how to market this game now. There have been code updates. Has Jersey Jack had any official streams of the new code? Have they done anything with Mark Seiden to get people excited about this game on a weekly basis?"

Jersey Jack Pinball struggling with Avatar marketing and delivery

"Avatar hasn't really caught on. People are not loving the game and ordering it left and right. I think the game just needs to wake up in the software department. I think Keith Johnson has coded a game that has a lot, I think in it, but I don't think it has a lot of feels and a lot of emotion and a lot of energy and a lot of excitement."

Avatar hasn't caught on with players, lacks emotional engagement and mechanical wow factor

"I think the game just needs to wake up in the software department. I think Keith Johnson has coded a game that has a lot, I think, in it, but I don't think it has a lot of feels and a lot of emotion and a lot of energy and a lot of excitement."

Avatar pinball lacks emotion and excitement compared to other Stern games

"And who's buying the LEs for 12? I mean, if you buy an LE for 12, you really do need to have your head examined. And that's an unintelligent move if there ever was one."

Buying Avatar LE for $12k requires having your head examined

"Avatar sales are not good. All right. I keep checking in with distro friends. It's not selling that well... When you play it, you just don't feel the excitement of those movies... And when you play avatar, it's just a little sterile. Like it's a little boring."

Avatar is not selling well and lacks excitement

"at Expo, they brought in additional UV lighting to stand over those games to make the playfields glow more. And I'm really concerned that the major feature in this game doesn't really work"

Avatar CE UV ink feature doesn't work properly, concerns about bait and switch

"I am still just worried that as it currently stands, Avatar is a bit boring considering everything else happening in Pinball"

Avatar is boring and needs more exhilarating code despite being beautiful

"Maybe the most stunning pinball machine you will ever walk up to... Then you play the game, and I think they've got some work to do. I think they need to code in a little bit more energy."

Jersey Jack's Avatar is visually stunning but needs more energy and excitement in the code

"Avatar C.E. is never going to sell out... because everyone's realizing right now that the Avatar UV lighting doesn't really work that well. And that's really the biggest feature in the game... It doesn't work nearly as effectively as the Stranger Things UV kit"

Avatar's UV lighting feature doesn't work effectively

"They can't create this gradual effect if you look at the playfield of Avatar. It's not filled with lights... the problem with that is you can't gradually light up the UV ink on the playfield. It's kind of all or nothing."

Avatar's UV eclipse effect fails to create the intended gradual eclipse experience

"when you ask people, just name me one toy in Avatar, nobody can give you one single toy... And I'm just not seeing it. And I do think people are giving Avatar a really big pass on not having any major mechanisms in the game."

Avatar lacks significant toys and mechanisms despite its $15,000 price point

"If I walked up to each and every one of you and said, Hey, I'm going to give you $100,000 if you can hum the theme song to Avatar... If I walked down the street and offered people $100,000 to hum the theme song to Star Wars or Indiana Jones... you know what I'm saying?"

Avatar theme lacks memorable music compared to other franchises, hurting emotional connection

"I think when I watch the stream of Avatar, I'm still not getting that energy, that excitement of those big battles. There's a lot of question marks I have about the software... The CE is the only model to get."

Avatar LE is beautiful but software lacks excitement, CE is the better buy

"Jersey Jack is like this beautiful woman with no personality... I don't want to date a beautiful woman with no personality and they need to figure out a way to get more personality into these games"

Jersey Jack Pinball games lack personality and emotional connection despite beautiful presentation